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Tarin · 01-19-2004, 08:06 AM

Am I crazy, or have the Padres managed to become legit contenders in the NL West this season. Check out the starters

3B Burroughs
2b Loretta
RF Giles
1B Nevin
LF Klesko
CF Payton
C Ramon Hernandez
SS Khalil Greene

P David Wells
P Brian Lawrence
P Adam Eaton
P Jake Peavy
P Ismael Valdez
P Sterling Hitchcock
RP Trevor Hoffman

Prospect: Tankersly and Nady.

jaxmagicman · 01-19-2004, 08:13 AM

Watch out, Crackpott has already said that Padres cannot win the west, so You know they can't. I mean he was 100% right when he said the Marlins messed up by trading for Jeff Conine.

SanDiegoPadres19 · 01-19-2004, 09:43 AM

Hahahahaha..too funny jax..

Ya we had a long discussion over this in another thread, but I agree with you 100% Tarin.

It was agreed that everybody on that team has to have career years and step it up a notch to win the west, and I think this year they can do it.

With a new ballpark and an excited city behind them, i feel they could easily reach 85-90 wins which will clinch the west. Since every other western team has done nothing but downgrade all year. I called it in the other thread and i'll do it in this one, Pads will win the west in 04.

Those two specs you mentioned are good, but chances are both will be traded during mid-season for an ace type pitcher according to reports running through San Diego, GM Kevin Towers has been giving the green light to get anybody he can during the season to help this team, and Nady seems like to be the odd man out.

Hammer755 · 01-19-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by SanDiegoPadres19
With a new ballpark and an excited city behind them, i feel they could easily reach 85-90 wins which will clinch the west.

Right on. A new ballpark will provide enough fan support and revenue to enable a mid-market team to compete!!1

Signed,
Detroit Tigers
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates

Tarin · 01-19-2004, 10:02 AM

Nady is the guy I'd give up as well. Tankersly could turn into that Ace in a couple years on his own.

I don't believe the hitters would need career years. Burroughs should improve naturally. Loretta will probably tail off just a little. As long as Nevin, Klesko and Giles hit their average seasons the middle of the order should be fine.

A lot of people think Payton will fall off, but he hit better on the road than he did at Coors, and i'd expect Ramon H to have a slightly worse season, but nothing drastic.

Consider that Petco is a hitters park and you might actually add a boost to some stats.

It is the pitchers who are going to need the career years. With some run support Lawrence will be a solid #2. Peavy needs to harness his control. If he can control the walks he'll be a #3. Wells can pitch well occasionally and secure the #4 spot and Eaton makes a great #5.

SanDiegoPadres19 · 01-19-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
Right on. A new ballpark will provide enough fan support and revenue to enable a mid-market team to compete!!1

Signed,
Detroit Tigers
Milwaukee Brewers
Cincinnati Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates

You forgot the teams it did work for. Granted it did not work for those 4 teams, but I believe the Padres are doing things much differently then the ones mentioned above.

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Originally posted by Tarin

It is the pitchers who are going to need the career years. With some run support Lawrence will be a solid #2. Peavy needs to harness his control. If he can control the walks he'll be a #3. Wells can pitch well occasionally and secure the #4 spot and Eaton makes a great #5.

I agree. I was mostly talking about the starting pitching. You pretty much hit the spot with what you wrote, except i think Wells will have to be the one to step it up the most, he is not looked at as a #4, he is being looked at as the ace of the staff right now.

matskralc · 01-19-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by SanDiegoPadres19
You forgot the teams it did work for. Granted it did not work for those 4 teams, but I believe the Padres are doing things much differently then the ones mentioned above.

Like who? Let's look at recently built ballparks...

Minute Maid Park, 2000: The Astros were already competitive prior to its building, and haven't become substantially better, new revenues or no.

Turner Field, 1997: The Braves always win.

Miller Park, 2001: HAHAHAHAHAHA

Pacific Bell Park, 2000: The Giants were already competitive. Maybe a new park's "revenues" put them over the top.

Jacobs Field, 1994: Eh. I guess this one counts as a ballpark that helped.

Safeco Field, 1999: Mariners were already vaguely competitive in a competitive division.

PNC Park, 2001: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Ballpark in Arlington, 1994: Possibly, although the Rangers were competitive in 1993, although their seasons after 1993 went: 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 4th, 4th, 4th, 4th.

Great American Ballpark, 2003: Probably too early to tell, but it didn't seem to help last year.

Coors Field, 1995: Not sure if this one really counts, but the Rockies haven't exactly been super successful.

Comerica Park, 2000: They wish.

BondsForever · 01-19-2004, 11:40 AM

The Padres are much improved but simply are not good enough to beat the Giants. I expect the Padres to finish second place or maybe third depening on how well the Diamondbacks can compesate for the loss of Schilling to the rotation. The Dodgers and Rockies will duke it out for fourth place.

Hammer755 · 01-19-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by SanDiegoPadres19
You forgot the teams it did work for. Granted it did not work for those 4 teams, but I believe the Padres are doing things much differently then the ones mentioned above.

Basically what Mats said. The teams that did well after moving into a new park were the ones that were doing well before moving into a new park. Teams that were not relying upon opening a new stadium as being a key cog to their success.

An example to look to would be the Indians, whose move to Jacobs Field in the mid-90's was a huge step into transforming that franchise into a viable operation.

Tarin · 01-19-2004, 01:20 PM

Lets take a look at the Giants lineup real quick.

2b Ray Durham
RF Michael Tucker?
LF Barry Bonds
CF Marqius Grisson?
3B Edgardo Alfonso
C AJ Pierzinski
1B JT Snow
SS Neifi Perez

The Giants have two good starters

P Jason Schmidt
P Jerome Williams

one decent

P Kirt Rueter

and then...

P Brett Tomko
P Dustin Hermanson

What they do have is a strong bullpen with Rodriguez and Nenn.

But in a grudge match its looking like the Padres will stomp the Giants this year. If they don't, Felipe Alou is closer to god than any man alive... possibly due to his connections with his identical twin brother GHANDI.

Crapshoot · 01-19-2004, 04:03 PM

You're smoking something Tarin- and its real strong. Schmidt is light years ahead of anything that the Padres have, and Williams was better than any Pads pitcher last year- The Giants are liable to be better at LF, 2b, Cf (payton < Grissom), C, and in the bullpen. The Padres had a pitching staff that was replacement level last year- its got a while to go.

cknox0723 · 01-19-2004, 04:22 PM

Aadik pretty much beat me to it, and add in the fact that Mark Loretta had a career year last year and Khalil Greene will be teh suk with the bat this year. Oh, and Jay Payton is the starting center fielder. Ask a Mets fan what they think of that.

The Padres do have a real good bullpen, though, and the rotation is not bad, but there are tons of injury risks there. If David Wells, Adam Eaton, and Jake Peavy don't get hurt, PETCO will truly live up to its name.

Craig

rangers85 · 01-19-2004, 04:23 PM

On the subject of Tankersly, what is the word out of San Diego of what he could be had for. Anything other than an ace pitcher? I'm not sure if even those two net you a top ace, but I could be wrong. I'd love to see a trade for Tankersly by the Rangers, but not sure we'd have what is needed.

Tarin · 01-19-2004, 04:26 PM

I agree the giants have a better pitching staff, but not by much. Payton is superior to Grissom. 2b is a wash because Durham is slipping. and C is even Steven.

The key is that SD's performance at 1b, RF dominate the Giants performance there and while LF won't even approach bonds number, he'll put up better numbers than any of the Giants other outfielders.

Long_Long_Name · 01-19-2004, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Tarin
CF Marqius Grisson?

It's a good thing you have that question mark.

Carlton · 01-19-2004, 04:37 PM

Looks good on paper, and I will just say that.

We all know injuries play a big part over 162 games.

As a Philly Phan, I will say I hated the Eaton trade...do not be surprised if Adam becomes the Ace of that staff this year, he has a nice gameplan going into games, even if his stuff isn't overpowering. More control and he will be a poor man's Greg Maddux.

Carlton · 01-19-2004, 04:40 PM

An inquiry

Is the Padres new stadium a hitters or pitchers park
and does it lean toward RH, LH hitters or neutral?

SanDiegoPadres19 · 01-19-2004, 06:27 PM

It is impossible to say if it is a hitters or pitchers park, seeing as the Padres were recently allowed to start practice there. What we do know is that it leans towards lefty hitters, like Klesko, Burroughs and Long.

elibangkok · 01-21-2004, 02:21 AM

I find it hard to believe that any park could lean towards Terrence Long.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 01-21-2004, 03:05 AM

Padres should be a decent team this year. They'll be helped by the fact that there's no real powerhouse in their division.

But I think all the Bonds jock-sniffers are right on this one.... the Giants should be the best in the NL West next year. At least we'll have one legit contender in Southern California next year..... but it won't be in the NL.

01-19-2004, 08:06 AM	#1
Tarin Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: J-Ville Posts: 325	Padres favorites? Am I crazy, or have the Padres managed to become legit contenders in the NL West this season. Check out the starters 3B Burroughs 2b Loretta RF Giles 1B Nevin LF Klesko CF Payton C Ramon Hernandez SS Khalil Greene P David Wells P Brian Lawrence P Adam Eaton P Jake Peavy P Ismael Valdez P Sterling Hitchcock RP Trevor Hoffman Prospect: Tankersly and Nady. __________________ T

01-19-2004, 01:20 PM	#10
Tarin Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: J-Ville Posts: 325	Lets take a look at the Giants lineup real quick. 2b Ray Durham RF Michael Tucker? LF Barry Bonds CF Marqius Grisson? 3B Edgardo Alfonso C AJ Pierzinski 1B JT Snow SS Neifi Perez The Giants have two good starters P Jason Schmidt P Jerome Williams one decent P Kirt Rueter and then... P Brett Tomko P Dustin Hermanson What they do have is a strong bullpen with Rodriguez and Nenn. But in a grudge match its looking like the Padres will stomp the Giants this year. If they don't, Felipe Alou is closer to god than any man alive... possibly due to his connections with his identical twin brother GHANDI. __________________ T

01-19-2004, 04:03 PM	#11
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	You're smoking something Tarin- and its real strong. Schmidt is light years ahead of anything that the Padres have, and Williams was better than any Pads pitcher last year- The Giants are liable to be better at LF, 2b, Cf (payton < Grissom), C, and in the bullpen. The Padres had a pitching staff that was replacement level last year- its got a while to go. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

01-19-2004, 04:26 PM	#14
Tarin Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: J-Ville Posts: 325	I agree the giants have a better pitching staff, but not by much. Payton is superior to Grissom. 2b is a wash because Durham is slipping. and C is even Steven. The key is that SD's performance at 1b, RF dominate the Giants performance there and while LF won't even approach bonds number, he'll put up better numbers than any of the Giants other outfielders. __________________ T

01-19-2004, 04:37 PM	#16
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Looks good on paper, and I will just say that. We all know injuries play a big part over 162 games. As a Philly Phan, I will say I hated the Eaton trade...do not be surprised if Adam becomes the Ace of that staff this year, he has a nice gameplan going into games, even if his stuff isn't overpowering. More control and he will be a poor man's Greg Maddux. __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

01-19-2004, 08:13 AM	#2
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Watch out, Crackpott has already said that Padres cannot win the west, so You know they can't. I mean he was 100% right when he said the Marlins messed up by trading for Jeff Conine. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

01-19-2004, 09:43 AM	#3
SanDiegoPadres19 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 937	Hahahahaha..too funny jax.. Ya we had a long discussion over this in another thread, but I agree with you 100% Tarin. It was agreed that everybody on that team has to have career years and step it up a notch to win the west, and I think this year they can do it. With a new ballpark and an excited city behind them, i feel they could easily reach 85-90 wins which will clinch the west. Since every other western team has done nothing but downgrade all year. I called it in the other thread and i'll do it in this one, Pads will win the west in 04. Those two specs you mentioned are good, but chances are both will be traded during mid-season for an ace type pitcher according to reports running through San Diego, GM Kevin Towers has been giving the green light to get anybody he can during the season to help this team, and Nady seems like to be the odd man out. __________________ Classic Jerry Colmanisms "Montreal leads Atlanta by three, 5-1." "They throw Winfield out at second, but he's safe." (As Matt Williams took a curtain call after hitting a home run) "Barry Bonds gets a standing ovation as he digs in." (Following the second out) ".. and the Padres win the National League Wes... oh, just got a little exicted." ************** Internet Sim Baseball League, Lo$ Angele$ Dodger$ ISBL Fictional Blog

01-19-2004, 10:02 AM	#5
Tarin Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: J-Ville Posts: 325	Nady is the guy I'd give up as well. Tankersly could turn into that Ace in a couple years on his own. I don't believe the hitters would need career years. Burroughs should improve naturally. Loretta will probably tail off just a little. As long as Nevin, Klesko and Giles hit their average seasons the middle of the order should be fine. A lot of people think Payton will fall off, but he hit better on the road than he did at Coors, and i'd expect Ramon H to have a slightly worse season, but nothing drastic. Consider that Petco is a hitters park and you might actually add a boost to some stats. It is the pitchers who are going to need the career years. With some run support Lawrence will be a solid #2. Peavy needs to harness his control. If he can control the walks he'll be a #3. Wells can pitch well occasionally and secure the #4 spot and Eaton makes a great #5. __________________ T

01-19-2004, 11:40 AM	#8
BondsForever Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 52	The Padres are much improved but simply are not good enough to beat the Giants. I expect the Padres to finish second place or maybe third depening on how well the Diamondbacks can compesate for the loss of Schilling to the rotation. The Dodgers and Rockies will duke it out for fourth place.

01-19-2004, 04:22 PM	#12
cknox0723 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,957	Aadik pretty much beat me to it, and add in the fact that Mark Loretta had a career year last year and Khalil Greene will be teh suk with the bat this year. Oh, and Jay Payton is the starting center fielder. Ask a Mets fan what they think of that. The Padres do have a real good bullpen, though, and the rotation is not bad, but there are tons of injury risks there. If David Wells, Adam Eaton, and Jake Peavy don't get hurt, PETCO will truly live up to its name. Craig

01-19-2004, 04:23 PM	#13
rangers85 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX...home of the mighty TCU Horned Frogs Posts: 909	On the subject of Tankersly, what is the word out of San Diego of what he could be had for. Anything other than an ace pitcher? I'm not sure if even those two net you a top ace, but I could be wrong. I'd love to see a trade for Tankersly by the Rangers, but not sure we'd have what is needed.

01-19-2004, 04:40 PM	#17
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	An inquiry Is the Padres new stadium a hitters or pitchers park and does it lean toward RH, LH hitters or neutral? __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

01-19-2004, 06:27 PM	#18
SanDiegoPadres19 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 937	It is impossible to say if it is a hitters or pitchers park, seeing as the Padres were recently allowed to start practice there. What we do know is that it leans towards lefty hitters, like Klesko, Burroughs and Long. __________________ Classic Jerry Colmanisms "Montreal leads Atlanta by three, 5-1." "They throw Winfield out at second, but he's safe." (As Matt Williams took a curtain call after hitting a home run) "Barry Bonds gets a standing ovation as he digs in." (Following the second out) ".. and the Padres win the National League Wes... oh, just got a little exicted." ************** Internet Sim Baseball League, Lo$ Angele$ Dodger$ ISBL Fictional Blog

01-21-2004, 02:21 AM	#19
elibangkok Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 182	I find it hard to believe that any park could lean towards Terrence Long. __________________ Bangkok Softball

01-21-2004, 03:05 AM	#20
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Padres should be a decent team this year. They'll be helped by the fact that there's no real powerhouse in their division. But I think all the Bonds jock-sniffers are right on this one.... the Giants should be the best in the NL West next year. At least we'll have one legit contender in Southern California next year..... but it won't be in the NL. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.