A couple of minor problems

mtw · 03-31-2002, 05:05 PM

2 problems and 1 question:

1) I thought that OOTP4 was supposed to sort teams into their proper leagues correctly for the purpose of the recordbook. I'm still getting the teams put into the wrong leagues. My league is imported from OOTP3, if this makes a difference.

I know that for purposes of team news that teams are assigned numbers (from 1 to # of teams in league). Can these numbers be edited to cause proper alignment recognition by the AI?

2) I'm certain I saw this in this forum before, but I my search was empty, so I'll state here JIC. OBP is not calculating correctly. Going through some player totals, I saw a player who had played one game during the current season, had 2 AB, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 S, and 1 SF in the game. OOTP4 calc'ed his OBP for the season at .600, but Stranger still, this was the guys major league debut (i.e. his first game) and the only game he's played to date. His career OBP was calc'ed at .667! So OOTP4 has applied to different formulas to OBP. I am assuming the career formula doesn't include HBP and SF, so that would explain some of the difference. But the current season OBP should have been .500 (1 hit + 1 BB / 2 AB + 1 BB + 1 SF), using the "offical" formula, or .667 (1 hit + 1 BB / 2 AB + 1 BB), using the modified "traditional" formula used by some player almanacs. Is the game counting sacrifices as times on base?

One question: I've noticed some of my minor leaguers learning new positions that they are not playing at in the lineup. Is this supposed to happen? Just curious.

Thanks for replies.

jor31 · 03-31-2002, 06:10 PM

To Re Aling teams-----

Let me open up OOTP 4 so i can be specific!

OK, go to the League menu, go to the bottom and click League Setup. Then a new menu will be up there calle dleague setup, hover over it and click Edit League Structure. then u should just click exchange to move each team to the correct division.

Should take 5 minutes, if youd rather spend 15 minutes messing with the league files, be my guest

mtw · 03-31-2002, 08:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by jor31:
To Re Aling teams-----

Let me open up OOTP 4 so i can be specific!

OK, go to the League menu, go to the bottom and click League Setup. Then a new menu will be up there calle dleague setup, hover over it and click Edit League Structure. then u should just click exchange to move each team to the correct division.

Should take 5 minutes, if youd rather spend 15 minutes messing with the league files, be my guest

<hr></blockquote>

I appreciate the feedback, but maybe I should be more clear with my question. My league structure is exactly the way I want it right now. What is happening is that the game is telling me that a team in my League One is setting a record in League Two, and vice versa. I want this to stop, so I wanted to know if it was possible to manually change the numbers assigned to each team for the purpose of identification by the game so that each team could be properly recognized as being in its actual league.

Killebrew · 04-01-2002, 08:25 PM

[quote] 1) I thought that OOTP4 was supposed to sort teams into their proper leagues correctly for the purpose of the recordbook. I'm still getting the teams put into the wrong leagues. My league is imported from OOTP3, if this makes a difference. I know that for purposes of team news that teams are assigned numbers (from 1 to # of teams in league). Can these numbers be edited to cause proper alignment recognition by the AI?<hr></blockquote>
That sounds like a team either has the wrong abreviation (team abreviations are used in the record book) or the more likely answer is you moved a team from one league to another at some point in the career. If it is the second case, I am not sure that is completely fixable for past seasons but should work properly for future seasons. I have a lot of experience in expansion and switching teams. Expansion I have down now thanks to Scotts FAQ, switching teams from league to league is just going to cause problems though

. There may be help on the horizon if a detailed editor is available for OOTP4. If you can't fix this issue now you may want to save the league until an editor comes out to see if it can help you.

[quote] 2)(snip)...Is the game counting sacrifices as times on base? <hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I do not know about that.

[quote] One question: I've noticed some of my minor leaguers learning new positions that they are not playing at in the lineup. Is this supposed to happen? Just curious.<hr></blockquote>
If you have the AI controlling your minor leagues (from the team setup screen) or you are leaving the minor league lineups blank then this is normal, but if you set minors control to "human" and input all 3 minor league lineups manually then I doubt that is supposed to happen, I have not seen it yet at least.

mtw · 04-02-2002, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the reply. My concern about the OBP calc was more that it's not correct than a specific cause. Hopefully it's fixed in the upcoming patch.

[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew:

If you have the AI controlling your minor leagues (from the team setup screen) or you are leaving the minor league lineups blank then this is normal, but if you set minors control to "human" and input all 3 minor league lineups manually then I doubt that is supposed to happen, I have not seen it yet at least.<hr></blockquote>

Minors are "human controlled" and in 2 seasons, I've seen 3 players gain ratings at positions they were not playing in the lineup.

Killebrew · 04-02-2002, 06:41 PM

[quote]Originally posted by mtw:
Minors are "human controlled" and in 2 seasons, I've seen 3 players gain ratings at positions they were not playing in the lineup.<hr></blockquote>

Just to confirm: In the team setup screen your teams minor leagues are listed as human controlled AND you are also manually setting up each levels batting orders? If the answer is yes and the players are learning new defensive positions then I will test further for this.

Important note: If the players non-primary position defensive ratings go up or down then that is actually just part of the game. Let me know about this, as it is something I have not seen or heard about before.

mtw · 04-02-2002, 06:59 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew:


Just to confirm: In the team setup screen your teams minor leagues are listed as human controlled AND you are also manually setting up each levels batting orders? If the answer is yes and the players are learning new defensive positions then I will test further for this.

Important note: If the players non-primary position defensive ratings go up or down then that is actually just part of the game. Let me know about this, as it is something I have not seen or heard about before.<hr></blockquote>

Yes minors are human controlled and I set the lineups. I get e-mails to notify me players are learning postions they are not playing, and I am not talking about ratings going up or down.

03-31-2002, 05:05 PM	#1
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	A couple of minor problems 2 problems and 1 question: 1) I thought that OOTP4 was supposed to sort teams into their proper leagues correctly for the purpose of the recordbook. I'm still getting the teams put into the wrong leagues. My league is imported from OOTP3, if this makes a difference. I know that for purposes of team news that teams are assigned numbers (from 1 to # of teams in league). Can these numbers be edited to cause proper alignment recognition by the AI? 2) I'm certain I saw this in this forum before, but I my search was empty, so I'll state here JIC. OBP is not calculating correctly. Going through some player totals, I saw a player who had played one game during the current season, had 2 AB, 1 hit, 1 BB, 1 S, and 1 SF in the game. OOTP4 calc'ed his OBP for the season at .600, but Stranger still, this was the guys major league debut (i.e. his first game) and the only game he's played to date. His career OBP was calc'ed at .667! So OOTP4 has applied to different formulas to OBP. I am assuming the career formula doesn't include HBP and SF, so that would explain some of the difference. But the current season OBP should have been .500 (1 hit + 1 BB / 2 AB + 1 BB + 1 SF), using the "offical" formula, or .667 (1 hit + 1 BB / 2 AB + 1 BB), using the modified "traditional" formula used by some player almanacs. Is the game counting sacrifices as times on base? One question: I've noticed some of my minor leaguers learning new positions that they are not playing at in the lineup. Is this supposed to happen? Just curious. Thanks for replies. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

03-31-2002, 06:10 PM	#2
jor31 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 204	To Re Aling teams----- Let me open up OOTP 4 so i can be specific! OK, go to the League menu, go to the bottom and click League Setup. Then a new menu will be up there calle dleague setup, hover over it and click Edit League Structure. then u should just click exchange to move each team to the correct division. Should take 5 minutes, if youd rather spend 15 minutes messing with the league files, be my guest __________________ Not affiliated but these sites are good- <a href="http://www.ootpworld.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootpworld.com</a> <a href="http://www.ootplinks.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootplinks.com</a> <a href="http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/" target="_blank">http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/</a>

03-31-2002, 08:26 PM	#3
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	[quote]Originally posted by jor31: <strong>To Re Aling teams----- Let me open up OOTP 4 so i can be specific! OK, go to the League menu, go to the bottom and click League Setup. Then a new menu will be up there calle dleague setup, hover over it and click Edit League Structure. then u should just click exchange to move each team to the correct division. Should take 5 minutes, if youd rather spend 15 minutes messing with the league files, be my guest </strong><hr></blockquote> I appreciate the feedback, but maybe I should be more clear with my question. My league structure is exactly the way I want it right now. What is happening is that the game is telling me that a team in my League One is setting a record in League Two, and vice versa. I want this to stop, so I wanted to know if it was possible to manually change the numbers assigned to each team for the purpose of identification by the game so that each team could be properly recognized as being in its actual league. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-01-2002, 08:25 PM	#4
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote] 1) I thought that OOTP4 was supposed to sort teams into their proper leagues correctly for the purpose of the recordbook. I'm still getting the teams put into the wrong leagues. My league is imported from OOTP3, if this makes a difference. I know that for purposes of team news that teams are assigned numbers (from 1 to # of teams in league). Can these numbers be edited to cause proper alignment recognition by the AI?<hr></blockquote> That sounds like a team either has the wrong abreviation (team abreviations are used in the record book) or the more likely answer is you moved a team from one league to another at some point in the career. If it is the second case, I am not sure that is completely fixable for past seasons but should work properly for future seasons. I have a lot of experience in expansion and switching teams. Expansion I have down now thanks to Scotts FAQ, switching teams from league to league is just going to cause problems though . There may be help on the horizon if a detailed editor is available for OOTP4. If you can't fix this issue now you may want to save the league until an editor comes out to see if it can help you. [quote] 2)(snip)...Is the game counting sacrifices as times on base? <hr></blockquote> Sorry, I do not know about that. [quote] One question: I've noticed some of my minor leaguers learning new positions that they are not playing at in the lineup. Is this supposed to happen? Just curious.<hr></blockquote> If you have the AI controlling your minor leagues (from the team setup screen) or you are leaving the minor league lineups blank then this is normal, but if you set minors control to "human" and input all 3 minor league lineups manually then I doubt that is supposed to happen, I have not seen it yet at least. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-02-2002, 08:54 AM	#5
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	Thanks for the reply. My concern about the OBP calc was more that it's not correct than a specific cause. Hopefully it's fixed in the upcoming patch. [quote]Originally posted by Killebrew: <strong> If you have the AI controlling your minor leagues (from the team setup screen) or you are leaving the minor league lineups blank then this is normal, but if you set minors control to "human" and input all 3 minor league lineups manually then I doubt that is supposed to happen, I have not seen it yet at least.</strong><hr></blockquote> Minors are "human controlled" and in 2 seasons, I've seen 3 players gain ratings at positions they were not playing in the lineup. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

04-02-2002, 06:41 PM	#6
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by mtw: <strong>Minors are "human controlled" and in 2 seasons, I've seen 3 players gain ratings at positions they were not playing in the lineup.</strong><hr></blockquote> Just to confirm: In the team setup screen your teams minor leagues are listed as human controlled AND you are also manually setting up each levels batting orders? If the answer is yes and the players are learning new defensive positions then I will test further for this. Important note: If the players non-primary position defensive ratings go up or down then that is actually just part of the game. Let me know about this, as it is something I have not seen or heard about before. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-02-2002, 06:59 PM	#7
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	[quote]Originally posted by Killebrew: <strong> Just to confirm: In the team setup screen your teams minor leagues are listed as human controlled AND you are also manually setting up each levels batting orders? If the answer is yes and the players are learning new defensive positions then I will test further for this. Important note: If the players non-primary position defensive ratings go up or down then that is actually just part of the game. Let me know about this, as it is something I have not seen or heard about before.</strong><hr></blockquote> Yes minors are human controlled and I set the lineups. I get e-mails to notify me players are learning postions they are not playing, and I am not talking about ratings going up or down. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist