Changing talents/ratings... has this happened to you?

IngredientX · 03-13-2002, 09:02 AM

Does the following sound familiar?

You're scouting out potential talent you'd like to trade for. You're in the "Player Trade" screen, and you've brought up the other team on the right side of the screen. You click on "Add Player," and sort by a rating or talent. You find an intriguing player, click on him to bring up his page, and check him out.

Then you right-click to dismiss the player viewer, and his talents/ratings have dropped!

I saw this in OOTP 3, but never got a chance to post. It seems to have continued in this version, at least in my experience. Could it be that I'm looking at the player's talents/ratings through the eyes of a scout other than my own? Or even worse, am I seeing the actual objective talent/ratings, bypassing the scout?

Any info would be great. Loving the game otherwise. Thanx!

MannyTrillo · 03-13-2002, 11:36 AM

I have noticed this also... sometimes the ratings go up as well as down. In my historical league, the ratings invariably adjust to closer to what the player was like in real life, so I suspect these might be the "real" ratings that we're seeing. Definitely something that should be fixed.

CHRIS137 · 03-16-2002, 09:03 AM

I have seen this too, a similar problem at least. I have the 4b patch installed.

Whenever I view a player, if I change his position while I view him, his ratings may change.

Example: I have a third baseman, who when I initially look at his batting ratings, has a 6 contact rating, 3 power rating, and 4 eye/discipline rating. I click on the "Position" button to change his position to DH. I look at his batting ratings, they are now 6/4/4. Change his position back to 3rd base, they are still 6/4/4. Click on "Close", then look at the player again, and his ratings show up as "6/3/4".

This doesn't happen for all players. I guess only when my scout has it wrong (if it is indeed the real ratings I'm seeing at other times, as MannyTrillo suggests).

Applecorey · 03-16-2002, 04:01 PM

Just posted on this same thing before I read it.
Is it a bug?

hellfrozeover · 03-16-2002, 08:22 PM

Are you running with scouts on? Because I believe that in OOTP3 this was the difference between where in one situation you were looking through the eyes of the other team's scout, and the other situation you were seeing the player through the eyes of your own scout.

Killebrew · 03-17-2002, 03:10 AM

Not a bug, just the way the game works with scouts on. The 1st rating is through either the other teams scout, an "average" scout, or your own scout, the 2nd rating that appears after you click on the player is a different scout of those 3. Not sure which is which, I'd guess it's their scout 1st and then yours or vice versa.

CHRIS137 · 03-18-2002, 12:45 PM

But isn't this still a bug? Particularly when I'm only looking at my own player, through my own team's roster (not through the trade interface). Also happens during the amateur draft. I really don't think I should be able to see ratings through eyes other than my scouts when I'm deciding who to draft.

Killebrew · 03-18-2002, 01:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by CHRIS137:
<strong>But isn't this still a bug? Particularly when I'm only looking at my own player, through my own team's roster (not through the trade interface). Also happens during the amateur draft. I really don't think I should be able to see ratings through eyes other than my scouts when I'm deciding who to draft.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's not a bug if it was designed to do that, now why exactly it was designed to do that I could not tell you. That is how scouts have worked in the game since being introduced in v3, and at that time I recall asking pretty much the same question, with the answer being "design decision"

. The ratings on your team roster screen on the other hand should definately not change, I have not seen that before and if that is happening in v4 then that is new and indeed a concern. On the ammy draft and FA screens the game uses the same logic as on the trade screen, so if scouts are enabled then the ratings are supposed to flip flop like you are seeing.

CHRIS137 · 03-18-2002, 01:18 PM

Yeah. OK. I don't have a problem with a player's ratings being different when I click on them, from what they are in a list screen. Say the ratings I see in the free agent screen are average ratings and then when I click on him it's my scouts rating.. I could deal witht that. The issue I have is that whenever I click on a player, if i change his position, his ratings change. Even for pitchers, if I change them to DH and then back again, their ratings change. And this happens on every single screen, including my own team's.

IngredientX · 03-18-2002, 05:35 PM

IMHO, I should view the talents and ratings of the rest of the league through the same pair of eyes. It's especially disconcerting when I see the rating or talent change in front of me by just clicking in and out of a player window. If it were different from team screen to team screen, I'd understand. But in the instance I'm describing, the altered rating appears in the same table as the original, above the bottom row of the table that reads "SCOUTING BY JOHN DOE," or whomever my scout is.

I suppose all I'm looking for is consistent subjectivity. Or subjective consistency.

Albatross?

03-13-2002, 09:02 AM	#1
IngredientX Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 117	Changing talents/ratings... has this happened to you? Does the following sound familiar? You're scouting out potential talent you'd like to trade for. You're in the "Player Trade" screen, and you've brought up the other team on the right side of the screen. You click on "Add Player," and sort by a rating or talent. You find an intriguing player, click on him to bring up his page, and check him out. Then you right-click to dismiss the player viewer, and his talents/ratings have dropped! I saw this in OOTP 3, but never got a chance to post. It seems to have continued in this version, at least in my experience. Could it be that I'm looking at the player's talents/ratings through the eyes of a scout other than my own? Or even worse, am I seeing the actual objective talent/ratings, bypassing the scout? Any info would be great. Loving the game otherwise. Thanx! __________________ "Schopenhauer was right, wouldn't you say? 'Life without pain has no meaning.' Gentlemen, I wish to give your lives meaning."

03-13-2002, 11:36 AM	#2
MannyTrillo All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 664	I have noticed this also... sometimes the ratings go up as well as down. In my historical league, the ratings invariably adjust to closer to what the player was like in real life, so I suspect these might be the "real" ratings that we're seeing. Definitely something that should be fixed. __________________ Poster emeritus "Not butchery, dining!!" obt sk cmh ct President, A-1 Aces OT Posting Club Click here to join

03-16-2002, 04:01 PM	#4
Applecorey Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 307	Just posted on this same thing before I read it. Is it a bug? __________________ www.boardgamegeek.com

03-16-2002, 08:22 PM	#5
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Are you running with scouts on? Because I believe that in OOTP3 this was the difference between where in one situation you were looking through the eyes of the other team's scout, and the other situation you were seeing the player through the eyes of your own scout. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

03-17-2002, 03:10 AM	#6
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	Not a bug, just the way the game works with scouts on. The 1st rating is through either the other teams scout, an "average" scout, or your own scout, the 2nd rating that appears after you click on the player is a different scout of those 3. Not sure which is which, I'd guess it's their scout 1st and then yours or vice versa. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

03-16-2002, 09:03 AM	#3
CHRIS137 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3	I have seen this too, a similar problem at least. I have the 4b patch installed. Whenever I view a player, if I change his position while I view him, his ratings may change. Example: I have a third baseman, who when I initially look at his batting ratings, has a 6 contact rating, 3 power rating, and 4 eye/discipline rating. I click on the "Position" button to change his position to DH. I look at his batting ratings, they are now 6/4/4. Change his position back to 3rd base, they are still 6/4/4. Click on "Close", then look at the player again, and his ratings show up as "6/3/4". This doesn't happen for all players. I guess only when my scout has it wrong (if it is indeed the real ratings I'm seeing at other times, as MannyTrillo suggests).

03-18-2002, 12:45 PM	#7
CHRIS137 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3	But isn't this still a bug? Particularly when I'm only looking at my own player, through my own team's roster (not through the trade interface). Also happens during the amateur draft. I really don't think I should be able to see ratings through eyes other than my scouts when I'm deciding who to draft.

03-18-2002, 01:09 PM	#8
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	[quote]Originally posted by CHRIS137: <strong>But isn't this still a bug? Particularly when I'm only looking at my own player, through my own team's roster (not through the trade interface). Also happens during the amateur draft. I really don't think I should be able to see ratings through eyes other than my scouts when I'm deciding who to draft.</strong><hr></blockquote> It's not a bug if it was designed to do that, now why exactly it was designed to do that I could not tell you. That is how scouts have worked in the game since being introduced in v3, and at that time I recall asking pretty much the same question, with the answer being "design decision" . The ratings on your team roster screen on the other hand should definately not change, I have not seen that before and if that is happening in v4 then that is new and indeed a concern. On the ammy draft and FA screens the game uses the same logic as on the trade screen, so if scouts are enabled then the ratings are supposed to flip flop like you are seeing. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

03-18-2002, 01:18 PM	#9
CHRIS137 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3	Yeah. OK. I don't have a problem with a player's ratings being different when I click on them, from what they are in a list screen. Say the ratings I see in the free agent screen are average ratings and then when I click on him it's my scouts rating.. I could deal witht that. The issue I have is that whenever I click on a player, if i change his position, his ratings change. Even for pitchers, if I change them to DH and then back again, their ratings change. And this happens on every single screen, including my own team's.

03-18-2002, 05:35 PM	#10
IngredientX Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 117	IMHO, I should view the talents and ratings of the rest of the league through the same pair of eyes. It's especially disconcerting when I see the rating or talent change in front of me by just clicking in and out of a player window. If it were different from team screen to team screen, I'd understand. But in the instance I'm describing, the altered rating appears in the same table as the original, above the bottom row of the table that reads "SCOUTING BY JOHN DOE," or whomever my scout is. I suppose all I'm looking for is consistent subjectivity. Or subjective consistency. Albatross? __________________ "Schopenhauer was right, wouldn't you say? 'Life without pain has no meaning.' Gentlemen, I wish to give your lives meaning."