Marginal Payroll/Marginal Win 2003

Skipaway · 10-07-2003, 01:47 AM

Numbers from baseballprospectus.com by Doug Pappas.

(It's in a subscriber only article, I only took the final numbers. Actually anyone with the formula could calculate it by themselves.)

Marginal wins = ((winning percentage - .300) x 162)
Marginal payroll = (opening day payroll - (28 x $300,000))

Team Marginal Payroll/Marginal Win
TB 779,861
OAK 885,250
KC 933,663
FLA 942,649
CWS 1,139,305
MIN 1,140,217
TOR 1,146,497
MON 1,265,959
SF 1,421,580
HOU 1,616,923
MIL 1,661,186
PHI 1,667,914
PIT 1,747,807
SEA 1,774,426
CHC 1,836,125
ATL 1,836,302
BOS 1,901,545
ARI 2,041,172
STL 2,053,596
CLE 2,084,270
COL 2,306,365
CIN 2,381,362
SD 2,404,545
ANA 2,487,031
LA 2,678,506
NYY 2,696,775
BAL 2,725,548
TEX 4,291,360
NYM 6,090,342
DET Infinite

fantom1979 · 10-07-2003, 03:26 AM

I am not really sure as to what this means? Can someone translate

holyroller · 10-07-2003, 03:30 AM

How many dollars each team spent per win for each above the bare minimum (.300 winning percentage).

magnet · 10-07-2003, 03:34 AM

that is one of the coolest stats i've ever seen

fantom1979 · 10-07-2003, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by holyroller
How many dollars each team spent per win for each above the bare minimum (.300 winning percentage).

gotcha, everything is a blur at 2:40 at night

Skipaway · 10-07-2003, 04:00 AM

Tampa Bay's number is really really impressive considering 2/3 of their payroll went to Ben Grieve and Rey Ordonez!! The #1 bargain team!

magnet · 10-07-2003, 04:03 AM

why is it times .300?

Skipaway · 10-07-2003, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by magnet
why is it times .300?

Argh, I copied it wrong. Fixed it. It's minus 0.300 not times 0.300.

Doug Pappas' assumption is a replacement-level club would be able to play .300 ball. Therefore the win numbers below that would be considered given. The 300,000 number is just the league minimum salary. 28 is 25 active roster plus 3 on the DL.

Apparently the Tigers are below the replacement-level as a team, with only Dmitri Young significantly above the level.

Gastric ReFlux · 10-07-2003, 12:14 PM

Heh, Detroit, infinite.

Skipaway · 10-08-2003, 01:10 AM

Not detered by the lack of interest in this thread, I did some calculations for 1999~2003 as in the attached file.

For the last five years, the number looked like this:

1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 Total
Bal 2404k 2872k 4343k 2821k 2731k 2907k
Bos 1128k 1908k 2988k 2252k 1904k 1987k
NYY 1551k 2164k 2129k 2134k 2701k 2141k
TB 1252k 2601k 3462k 3818k 779k 2154k
Tor 1018k 1102k 2145k 2335k 1146k 1504k

CWS 601k 491k 1571k 1502k 1139k 1038k
Cle 1232k 1627k 1969k 2772k 2080k 1815k
Det 1230k 1637k 2390k 6856k infinite 2928k
KC 964k 530k 1665k 2890k 935k 1186k
Min 712k 398k 438k 692k 1138k 714k

Ana 2031k 1290k 1445k 1058k 2491k 1555k
Oak 386k 549k 475k 575k 884k 579k
Sea 1365k 1190k 998k 1619k 1775k 1353k
Tex 1434k 2791k 3275k 4154k 4300k 2895k

Atl 1198k 1643k 2120k 1586k 1839k 1650k
Fla 681k 377k 990k 1103k 942k 838k
Mon 400k 1430k 1357k 881k 1268k 1066k
NYM 1131k 1568k 2540k 3207k 6087k 2363k
Phi 772k 2378k 889k 1553k 1667k 1360k

CHC 2804k 3187k 1413k 3644k 1838k 2266k
Cin 529k 1055k 2125k 1250k 2380k 1232k
Hou 892k 1839k 1171k 1552k 1617k 1343k
Mil 1273k 1149k 1784k 5621k 1658k 1757k
Pit 463k 1006k 3295k 1425k 1747k 1393k
StL 1387k 1145k 1552k 1356k 2051k 1480k

Ari 1123k 1993k 1677k 1911k 2037k 1711k
Col 2035k 1580k 2562k 1981k 2303k 2059k
LA 2500k 2130k 2688k 1991k 2421k 2326k
SD 1550k 1696k 983k 1905k 2406k 1602k
SF 977k 936k 1325k 1488k 1422k 1240k

Oakland and Minnesota are two well known cases, but Florida and the White Sox are very consistently good also.

holyroller · 10-08-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipaway
Oak 386k 549k 475k 575k 884k 579k

Anybody still wonder why the A's are so good?

Mariner and Giants Fan · 10-08-2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by holyroller
Anybody still wonder why the A's are so good?

Mulder, Zito and Hudson! oh yeah and the Mariners August/September choke artists

Skipaway · 10-08-2003, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mariner and Giants Fan
Mulder, Zito and Hudson! oh yeah and the Mariners August/September choke artists

That is not true. I tried to replace those three by Wakefield, Lowe, and Burkett this year. The win share differences is 58-32=26. That would be roughly 9 wins.

Taking 9 wins off the Oakland's marginal win number of 47.466, you'll still have 38.466. That in turn would result in a marginal payroll/marginal win of about 1091k. 1091k is still good for 4th place!!!

So even if you give the A's no credit for the big 3, you still can't deny them as one of the most well run team in the league!

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Tampa Bay's number is really really impressive considering 2/3 of their payroll went to Ben Grieve and Rey Ordonez!! The #1 bargain team! __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-07-2003, 01:47 AM	#1
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Marginal Payroll/Marginal Win 2003 Numbers from baseballprospectus.com by Doug Pappas. (It's in a subscriber only article, I only took the final numbers. Actually anyone with the formula could calculate it by themselves.) Marginal wins = ((winning percentage - .300) x 162) Marginal payroll = (opening day payroll - (28 x $300,000)) Team Marginal Payroll/Marginal Win TB 779,861 OAK 885,250 KC 933,663 FLA 942,649 CWS 1,139,305 MIN 1,140,217 TOR 1,146,497 MON 1,265,959 SF 1,421,580 HOU 1,616,923 MIL 1,661,186 PHI 1,667,914 PIT 1,747,807 SEA 1,774,426 CHC 1,836,125 ATL 1,836,302 BOS 1,901,545 ARI 2,041,172 STL 2,053,596 CLE 2,084,270 COL 2,306,365 CIN 2,381,362 SD 2,404,545 ANA 2,487,031 LA 2,678,506 NYY 2,696,775 BAL 2,725,548 TEX 4,291,360 NYM 6,090,342 DET Infinite __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. Last edited by Skipaway; 10-07-2003 at 04:50 AM.

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magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	that is one of the coolest stats i've ever seen

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magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	why is it times .300?

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Heh, Detroit, infinite.