The DH/MR Cheat

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-08-2003, 10:11 PM

If you want to re-sign one of your own players for far less money, here's what you do. If he's a position player, knock his position down to DH and negociate the contract. Then, after he signs the contract, return him to his original position. For Starting Pitchers and Closers, knock him down to Middle Reliever.

I plead the 5th on this one.

Steve Kuffrey · 07-08-2003, 10:22 PM

This has been mentioned about 5,783 times AND as far as I am concerned is a cheat and if you want to cheat "yourself" fine. Some parts of the game are meant to be adjustable and it is sad that falks try to exploit every little hole then cry for Markus to "patch it" when he could be spedning the time making other things deeper and more of a challenge.

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-08-2003, 10:34 PM

Relax, Steve. I don't make a habit of researching the entire board before I post something. Get some sleep, ok?

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-08-2003, 10:35 PM

By the way, I never asked Markus to patch it.

Steve Kuffrey · 07-08-2003, 10:38 PM

I know and I wasn't trying to pick on you or anything it's just that I think it was mentioned or something like it yesterday........it's been a long week. Oh, it's only Tuesday....

TC Dale · 07-08-2003, 10:40 PM

And I didn't do it, either. I am innocent.

BTW Steve, I heard your Atlanta Admirals in the AFA suck really bad. You might want to get a second opinion...ask Erich. He agrees!

Heheh.

Steve Kuffrey · 07-08-2003, 10:42 PM

But why would I ask "Bevis and Butthead" about my football team? Like you guys know anything about it.......

Iffy_Boatrace · 07-08-2003, 10:45 PM

No problem. I think I'm getting irratable. Sorry. Time for bed. Peace out.

mh2365 · 07-08-2003, 11:06 PM

I think we could spend a whole day on how to cheat the AI .... it shouldn't be like that but it is, just like it is in every freaking game made ...... I do not cheat the game but that's just me, anybody who feels the need to cheat to win that is up to them but there are not alot of console or computer games that you can't do this .... I am currently playing Hitman 2 on the PS2 I think the game is hard as h***, getting a walkthrough would make it alot easier but I am never happier than when I throw the controller in disgust claiming the game is too freaking hard .... so I spend 50$ and spend an hour a day for 6 months with the game rather than getting a walkthrough or looking up cheat codes and finishing it in ten hours .... it's much enjoyable to win any game with playing it fair .... the trade AI in this game is pretty damn good right now so people are posting other ways to cheat it ..... I understand this it's human nature to do so, but win a World Series without it, you feel much more of a sense of accomplishment .... just my .02 ... but I'm a freaking fanboy too LOL

Skipaway · 07-09-2003, 12:48 AM

I started a thread about this about three days ago.

And I don't think this one can be brush off by simply " cheat as you wish and nobody cares, you cheater!"

First of all it is just wrong for the program to value a player by his listed position only, instead of the whole package. You do not ignore Darin Erstad's amazing outfielder ability even when he spend some playing time at 1B or DH. However the game will indeed give Darin Erstad a lesser contract if he's forced to play a position not his best. This game apparently will not reward a player for versatility.

Yes, this flaw is big enough for people to post as a "cheat". Some how it's still regarded as a " little hole".

The "pitcher role" stuff might still be debatable, but not this one, cheat or whatever you'd like to call it.

AngelinOF · 07-09-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Skipaway
This game apparently will not reward a player for versatility.

Neither does real life, players who play multiple positions don't get rewarded just because they can play a variety of different positions, if I am not mistaken this are usually the cheapest players because their agent can't claim they should make SS money when they only played 5 games there last season.

Its regarded as a cheat because if you knowingly switch a player's position because he will sign for less money then any way you slice it then you are cheating, especially if after they player signs the contract then you switch him back to his regular position.

Long_Long_Name · 07-09-2003, 01:39 AM

This brings up the whole MR/CL debate again. Why would a 6 rated closer get as much as a 9 rated MR when they are absolutely interchangeable?

Anyway, I never draft or sign closers, I think it's a waste of money.

Draft Dodger · 07-09-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
This has been mentioned about 5,783 times AND as far as I am concerned is a cheat and if you want to cheat "yourself" fine. Some parts of the game are meant to be adjustable and it is sad that falks try to exploit every little hole then cry for Markus to "patch it" when he could be spedning the time making other things deeper and more of a challenge.

well this is fine and dandy for solo players, but it really ****ing blows for people in leagues.

crackpott · 07-09-2003, 02:28 AM

Did you hear? I heard that you can exploit the CPU in trade offers! I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet. PATCH IT!!!!

crackpott · 07-09-2003, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
well this is fine and dandy for solo players, but it really ****ing blows for people in leagues.

...in online leagues don't the commishes have to input the contracts anyway? Frankly, if I saw like A-Rod listed as a DH, i'd just set him back to his position and use those demands. Same with reliever Pedro Martinez.

sporr · 07-09-2003, 09:57 AM

Though a minor point. The AI will use a player based on his primary position as well, so if you change a player to 'DH', then the game will use him as such.

Long_Long_Name · 07-09-2003, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crackpott
Did you hear? I heard that you can exploit the CPU in trade offers! I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet. PATCH IT!!!!

Hehehe

ctorg · 07-09-2003, 10:12 AM

Poor Steve, having to read about the same stuff again and again.

Henry · 07-09-2003, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by ctorg
Poor Steve, having to read about the same stuff again and again.

What do you mean "Poor Steve" !?!? I have to read this stuff too

LOL

Just a passing comment...

"Anything" you can do in the game that you can't do in real life is "cheating". Plain and simple. Although it would be nice if these things weren't allowed, it's not the job of the game to protect the player from himself.

In a solo league you are what you are... you play according to your own rules, so it's simply not an issue. That's part of the reason I don't have a problem with House Rules.

In an online league, it's the job of the commish to play "policeman". Granted, anything the game can do to help him accomplish that would be great - but once again, an "exploit" missed does not a poor game make....

In all the years I've played in various leagues there are two types of people... those that will win at any cost and those that know the difference between right and wrong. If your lucky, you get involved in a league of owners from the second group. If not, you have to enforce certain rules.

If the game could be made "bullet proof" then these issues wouldn't surface, but no game can ever be THAT good. Knowing the difference between right and wrong, and wanting to enjoy the experience rather than the "win" is what makes both solo play and online leagues great.

Henry

ctorg · 07-09-2003, 10:27 AM

Sorry, poor Steve and Henry.

07-08-2003, 10:11 PM	#1
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	The DH/MR Cheat If you want to re-sign one of your own players for far less money, here's what you do. If he's a position player, knock his position down to DH and negociate the contract. Then, after he signs the contract, return him to his original position. For Starting Pitchers and Closers, knock him down to Middle Reliever. I plead the 5th on this one.

07-08-2003, 10:22 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	This has been mentioned about 5,783 times AND as far as I am concerned is a cheat and if you want to cheat "yourself" fine. Some parts of the game are meant to be adjustable and it is sad that falks try to exploit every little hole then cry for Markus to "patch it" when he could be spedning the time making other things deeper and more of a challenge. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

07-08-2003, 10:38 PM	#5
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	I know and I wasn't trying to pick on you or anything it's just that I think it was mentioned or something like it yesterday........it's been a long week. Oh, it's only Tuesday.... __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

07-08-2003, 10:40 PM	#6
TC Dale Global Moderator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,970	And I didn't do it, either. I am innocent. BTW Steve, I heard your Atlanta Admirals in the AFA suck really bad. You might want to get a second opinion...ask Erich. He agrees! Heheh. __________________ ----------------------------------

07-08-2003, 10:42 PM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	But why would I ask "Bevis and Butthead" about my football team? Like you guys know anything about it....... __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

07-08-2003, 10:34 PM	#3
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	Relax, Steve. I don't make a habit of researching the entire board before I post something. Get some sleep, ok?

07-08-2003, 10:35 PM	#4
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	By the way, I never asked Markus to patch it.

07-08-2003, 10:45 PM	#8
Iffy_Boatrace Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 43	No problem. I think I'm getting irratable. Sorry. Time for bed. Peace out.

07-08-2003, 11:06 PM	#9
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I think we could spend a whole day on how to cheat the AI .... it shouldn't be like that but it is, just like it is in every freaking game made ...... I do not cheat the game but that's just me, anybody who feels the need to cheat to win that is up to them but there are not alot of console or computer games that you can't do this .... I am currently playing Hitman 2 on the PS2 I think the game is hard as h***, getting a walkthrough would make it alot easier but I am never happier than when I throw the controller in disgust claiming the game is too freaking hard .... so I spend 50$ and spend an hour a day for 6 months with the game rather than getting a walkthrough or looking up cheat codes and finishing it in ten hours .... it's much enjoyable to win any game with playing it fair .... the trade AI in this game is pretty damn good right now so people are posting other ways to cheat it ..... I understand this it's human nature to do so, but win a World Series without it, you feel much more of a sense of accomplishment .... just my .02 ... but I'm a freaking fanboy too LOL

07-09-2003, 12:48 AM	#10
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I started a thread about this about three days ago. And I don't think this one can be brush off by simply " cheat as you wish and nobody cares, you cheater!" First of all it is just wrong for the program to value a player by his listed position only, instead of the whole package. You do not ignore Darin Erstad's amazing outfielder ability even when he spend some playing time at 1B or DH. However the game will indeed give Darin Erstad a lesser contract if he's forced to play a position not his best. This game apparently will not reward a player for versatility. Yes, this flaw is big enough for people to post as a "cheat". Some how it's still regarded as a " little hole". The "pitcher role" stuff might still be debatable, but not this one, cheat or whatever you'd like to call it. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-09-2003, 01:39 AM	#12
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	This brings up the whole MR/CL debate again. Why would a 6 rated closer get as much as a 9 rated MR when they are absolutely interchangeable? Anyway, I never draft or sign closers, I think it's a waste of money. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

07-09-2003, 02:28 AM	#14
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	Did you hear? I heard that you can exploit the CPU in trade offers! I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet. PATCH IT!!!! __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

07-09-2003, 09:57 AM	#16
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Though a minor point. The AI will use a player based on his primary position as well, so if you change a player to 'DH', then the game will use him as such.

07-09-2003, 10:12 AM	#18
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Poor Steve, having to read about the same stuff again and again. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

07-09-2003, 10:27 AM	#20
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Sorry, poor Steve and Henry. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils