1934 MVP Voting

Dwolfson20 · 05-24-2003, 08:14 PM

I just came across this at the wonderful baseball-reference.com:

http://baseball-reference.com/awards...34.shtml#ALmvp

Does anyone have a clue why Gehrig was only fifth? Cochrane was a catcher but his team didn't win the World Series. Did baseball writers have easier access to crack that year?

Gehrig won the Triple Crown, posted an 1.172 OPS, and gets fifth in the voting. Weird.

twins15 · 05-24-2003, 08:34 PM

You have too much free time.

05-24-2003, 09:32 PM

I don't know much about that time period, but just perusing the site, the Tigers were 75-79 inm 1933. They made a huge jump to 101-53 in '34, the year which Cochrane was sold to the Tigers. That year, I'm guessing, they considered him the sparkplug that got the team going, thus the MVP award. Cochrane was also the manager of the team, so he had a considerable impact on that team. Also, the World Series, has no impact on MVP voting.

Draft Dodger · 05-24-2003, 09:34 PM

I wasn't around then, so I don't know

AngelinOF · 05-25-2003, 12:52 AM

Voters tended to look well beyond the stats with the MVP whenever they started awarding it regularly. And of course the voters tended to be rather fickle also, if you didn't have a good reputation with the writers then those players were often overlooked.

Cochrane also won the MVP in 1928 and had less that spectacular stats.

Dwolfson20 · 05-25-2003, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
I wasn't around then, so I don't know

I would just like to say right now, that since I have been a member - last year at this time - I have HATED Draft Dodger. I put up with his smart *** comments all the time and I am sick of it. I wish there were some way I could block him so I didn't have to read his stupid comments. He thinks he's such a hard *** - I bet he's some single 50 year old who sits there and looks at porn all day, hence his stupid picture of Shakira. Screw you, DD, and don't bother posting in my threads anymore because I will disregard them from now on.

PS - Is there any way you can block someone? Any input would be appreciated (unless its from the Shakira-sexually obsessed 50 year old ****)

CMH · 05-25-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Dwolfson20
I would just like to say right now, that since I have been a member - last year at this time - I have HATED Draft Dodger. I put up with his smart *** comments all the time and I am sick of it. I wish there were some way I could block him so I didn't have to read his stupid comments. He thinks he's such a hard *** - I bet he's some single 50 year old who sits there and looks at porn all day, hence his stupid picture of Shakira. Screw you, DD, and don't bother posting in my threads anymore because I will disregard them from now on.

PS - Is there any way you can block someone? Any input would be appreciated (unless its from the Shakira-sexually obsessed 50 year old ****)

are you serious?

I dont know if this is in all seriousness or just a joke.

But, there is an ignore feature in the boards...

OCBLcommish · 05-25-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Dwolfson20
I would just like to say right now, that since I have been a member - last year at this time - I have HATED Draft Dodger. I put up with his smart *** comments all the time and I am sick of it. I wish there were some way I could block him so I didn't have to read his stupid comments. He thinks he's such a hard *** - I bet he's some single 50 year old who sits there and looks at porn all day, hence his stupid picture of Shakira. Screw you, DD, and don't bother posting in my threads anymore because I will disregard them from now on.

PS - Is there any way you can block someone? Any input would be appreciated (unless its from the Shakira-sexually obsessed 50 year old ****)

You have some anger issues. I don't see why you should dislike the guy. I certainly don't. The only guy I dislike is that long long name guy and thats just because he has tried/is trying to trash me. Eh, oh well.

AccardoOutfit29 · 05-25-2003, 09:06 PM

Pretty sure he is joking.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-26-2003, 12:02 AM

Dwolf is channelling that cat. I tried to warn him about the voodoo complications of reckless avatar embedding.

Dwolfson20 · 05-27-2003, 09:06 PM

Look deep into my eyes... (cat speaking)

rogmax11 · 05-27-2003, 09:15 PM

Yikes! I am feeling really badly now; I AM a 50 year-old with serious Shakira lust issues...

and I always thought that was a GOOD thing. Now I have to seek counsel from Dr. Phil.

Talk about your changing day in your life...

Long_Long_Name · 05-27-2003, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by OCBLcommish
You have some anger issues. I don't see why you should dislike the guy. I certainly don't. The only guy I dislike is that long long name guy and thats just because he has tried/is trying to trash me. Eh, oh well.

As the OTBL says, "Why so much hate"? If anyone should have negative toward the other, I think it should be me, but I don't. Why do you hold a gruddge against me? I actually like #9, it's my real baseball number (until I had to settle for #48 after my teammates took #9 and #47, aaah).

jgross68 · 05-28-2003, 02:54 PM

Er... Trying to steer it back on-topic...

FWIW, here are the Win Shares for each of the top 5 vote getters in the 1934 MVP balloting:
1. M. Cochrane, 23
2. C. Gehringer, 37
3. L. Gomez, 31
4. S. Rowe, 28
5. L. Gehrig, 41

Bill James would conclude that Gehrig should have been the MVP in 1934, or at least it should have been a two-man race between Gehringer and Gehrig. In any case, I would agree Yzlin's guess that the Tigers big turnaround and the fact that Cochrane was also the manager swayed the voting.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-28-2003, 03:00 PM

Wasn't 1934 the year all those mushrooms got sold accidentally in stores?

fantom1979 · 05-28-2003, 04:43 PM

The Tigers won 100 games? I think some kind of higher power should have won MVP.

cooper_gd · 05-29-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by jgross68
Er... Trying to steer it back on-topic...

FWIW, here are the Win Shares for each of the top 5 vote getters in the 1934 MVP balloting:
1. M. Cochrane, 23
2. C. Gehringer, 37
3. L. Gomez, 31
4. S. Rowe, 28
5. L. Gehrig, 41

Bill James would conclude that Gehrig should have been the MVP in 1934, or at least it should have been a two-man race between Gehringer and Gehrig. In any case, I would agree Yzlin's guess that the Tigers big turnaround and the fact that Cochrane was also the manager swayed the voting.

It was Cochrane's intangibles, leadership skills and clutch hitting that won the MVP for him.

Dwolfson20 · 05-29-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by cooper_gd
It was Cochrane's intangibles, leadership skills and clutch hitting that won the MVP for him.

Not his eya hand coordination?

Long_Long_Name · 05-29-2003, 09:36 PM

He weights 180 pounds; it just has to be his great Size.

05-24-2003, 08:14 PM	#1
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	1934 MVP Voting I just came across this at the wonderful baseball-reference.com: http://baseball-reference.com/awards...34.shtml#ALmvp Does anyone have a clue why Gehrig was only fifth? Cochrane was a catcher but his team didn't win the World Series. Did baseball writers have easier access to crack that year? Gehrig won the Triple Crown, posted an 1.172 OPS, and gets fifth in the voting. Weird. __________________

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jgross68 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ....is everything! OTA: .882, Member #866 Posts: 690	Er... Trying to steer it back on-topic... FWIW, here are the Win Shares for each of the top 5 vote getters in the 1934 MVP balloting: 1. M. Cochrane, 23 2. C. Gehringer, 37 3. L. Gomez, 31 4. S. Rowe, 28 5. L. Gehrig, 41 Bill James would conclude that Gehrig should have been the MVP in 1934, or at least it should have been a two-man race between Gehringer and Gehrig. In any case, I would agree Yzlin's guess that the Tigers big turnaround and the fact that Cochrane was also the manager swayed the voting. __________________ Javier Gustavo Ruprecht Oss LXVIII Bizarro-Gastric ReFlux Emeritus Judo Purist and Supporter of Monkey Rodeo Leagues: OTBL \| ABC \| OCHO \| Off The Wall (Coming Soon!) Blogs: The Legacy of Tony Womack \| How We Got Enron! ...the musical (Now even less frequently updated!) Topical quote for any occasion: "Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth." ~Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People"

05-28-2003, 04:43 PM	#16
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	The Tigers won 100 games? I think some kind of higher power should have won MVP. __________________

05-24-2003, 09:32 PM	#3
Yyzlin Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know much about that time period, but just perusing the site, the Tigers were 75-79 inm 1933. They made a huge jump to 101-53 in '34, the year which Cochrane was sold to the Tigers. That year, I'm guessing, they considered him the sparkplug that got the team going, thus the MVP award. Cochrane was also the manager of the team, so he had a considerable impact on that team. Also, the World Series, has no impact on MVP voting.

05-24-2003, 09:34 PM	#4
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	I wasn't around then, so I don't know __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

05-25-2003, 12:52 AM	#5
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	Voters tended to look well beyond the stats with the MVP whenever they started awarding it regularly. And of course the voters tended to be rather fickle also, if you didn't have a good reputation with the writers then those players were often overlooked. Cochrane also won the MVP in 1928 and had less that spectacular stats.

05-25-2003, 09:06 PM	#9
AccardoOutfit29 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 531	Pretty sure he is joking.

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05-27-2003, 09:15 PM	#12
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	Yikes! I am feeling really badly now; I AM a 50 year-old with serious Shakira lust issues... and I always thought that was a GOOD thing. Now I have to seek counsel from Dr. Phil. Talk about your changing day in your life...

05-28-2003, 03:00 PM	#15
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Wasn't 1934 the year all those mushrooms got sold accidentally in stores?

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