Scouting Discrepancy on different screens

[Carbrenash]

First, I know that the number of "stars" is not really important, but...

I'm looking at a draft pool and noticing a discrepancy in the "star rating" of some of the players in the draft when I go between different tabs on their profile. I'm wondering if this is purely a cosmetic glitch and irrelevant if the ratings are the same, or if it is some indicator of future volatility of the player, and he might regress or something.

Scouting is set to 100% accurate.

Here's an example in this current draft class:

SP is 17 years old with 4 undeveloped pitches. He is STU 65 MOV 80 CON 55

When I sort on the draft pool page, it shows him as a 4 star player. When I go to Profile, then summary tab it also says he's a 4 star pitcher.

BUT, when I go to the Scouting tab, the STU MOV CON ratings stay the same, but the stars go to 2 stars and the report says "likely bound for journeyman status."

I am seeing differences quite often for SP. For older 22 yr old college prospects, it usually isn't more than .5 or 1.0 star difference. But there's a big difference for the 17-18 year old HS prospects.

One 4.5 star lights out SP on the summary tab drops to a 1.5 star on the scouting tab.


Is this a bug? Is it some indicator that the player won't develop? Should I consider this at all. (If it matters, I'm picking as an expansion team so I really want to minimize risk.)

[md40022]

Make sure the option that lets you toggle between your scout and the OOTP scout is set to the same setting in all of the different screens. Sometimes when you toggle that option on one screen and then forget to toggle it back it could lead to different ratings and star levels on the actual player profile vs. what you might see on the draft screen for example.

[Carbrenash]

Originally Posted by md40022

Make sure the option that lets you toggle between your scout and the OOTP scout is set to the same setting in all of the different screens. Sometimes when you toggle that option on one screen and then forget to toggle it back it could lead to different ratings and star levels on the actual player profile vs. what you might see on the draft screen for example.

The league uses 100% scouting accuracy. We don't even hire scouts.

[PSUColonel]

See if the position he was scouted at is the same as the one he is currently listed as playing. E.G. Is he listed as a SP but scouted as a RP? or vice versa?

[Carbrenash]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

See if the position he was scouted at is the same as the one he is currently listed as playing. E.G. Is he listed as a SP but scouted as a RP? or vice versa?

Listed as a SP everywhere.

[snepp]

My response from your other thread...

When you view the players in the list, or when looking at the summary page, you're seeing their current 100% accurate ratings. If you were to go into the editor and change a player you would see those changes reflected immediately in those areas.

When you flip to the scouting page in the player's profile you're seeing a saved snapshot from your scout (and OSA) from a certain date. If the player had changed between the time of the last scouting report and present day you could see a difference. Asking for a report from your scout will update the scouting page and it will match what you see in the other areas.

Basically if the league is set to 100% scouting accuracy, the scouting tab in the player's profile is more useful for viewing progression history than anything else.

[Carbrenash]

Originally Posted by snepp

My response from your other thread...

When you view the players in the list, or when looking at the summary page, you're seeing their current 100% accurate ratings. If you were to go into the editor and change a player you would see those changes reflected immediately in those areas.

When you flip to the scouting page in the player's profile you're seeing a saved snapshot from your scout (and OSA) from a certain date. If the player had changed between the time of the last scouting report and present day you could see a difference. Asking for a report from your scout will update the scouting page and it will match what you see in the other areas.

Basically if the league is set to 100% scouting accuracy, the scouting tab in the player's profile is more useful for viewing progression history than anything else.

Thank you for the response. I replied there as well. I think you've explained it.


I am an expansion team that is "in the file" now, but I am not assigned to a team. I'm observing this season and will be assigned to an expansion team when they are created at this season's conclusion, so I don't think I can request a scouting report.


BUT based on what you've said, I should be confident in the ratings I see and I don't have to worry about the player have some impending regression or soemthing. Thanks again.

[Carbrenash]

Here are the two tabs. The game date is 6/14/1965

[snepp]

Unfortunately I don't have an explanation for that given the scouting date is current.

[Carbrenash]

Originally Posted by snepp

Unfortunately I don't have an explanation for that given the scouting date is current.

So it might be a bug?

[snepp]

All I do know is that what might be shown between the summary page and the scouting page has had things like that happening for as long as I can remember (v8?).

Why I don't know, or if it has ever been answered.

[Carbrenash]

Originally Posted by snepp

All I do know is that what might be shown between the summary page and the scouting page has had things like that happening for as long as I can remember (v8?).

Why I don't know, or if it has ever been answered.

Would you even worry about the weird low rating shown on the scouting tab?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Carbrenash

Thank you for the response. I replied there as well. I think you've explained it.


I am an expansion team that is "in the file" now, but I am not assigned to a team. I'm observing this season and will be assigned to an expansion team when they are created at this season's conclusion, so I don't think I can request a scouting report.


BUT based on what you've said, I should be confident in the ratings I see and I don't have to worry about the player have some impending regression or soemthing. Thanks again.

This is something I have never liked about scouting. I don't understand why the profile page needs to display "real-time" scouting reports for the overall & potentials. These should be a "snapshot" in time also...or if not, then not displayed at all. Scouting is something that should have to happen by your scouts actually scouting players...not by magic.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by Carbrenash

Would you even worry about the weird low rating shown on the scouting tab?

I don't think there's any concern. That pitcher has pretty good ratings, the 4 star potential is justified.

I went looking through one of my test leagues, changing accuracy to 100% and running a full league re-scout. There are a few players that will show discrepancies between the pages even with scouting reports current to the day. Some show lower overall, some show higher. Some are position players, some starters, some relievers.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is something I have never liked about scouting. I don't understand why the profile page needs to display "real-time" scouting reports for the overall & potentials. These should be a "snapshot" in time also...or if not, then not displayed at all. Scouting is something that should have to happen by your scouts actually scouting players...not by magic.

I've never looked at it that way, but I've never played with scouting accuracy at 100% or with scouting off entirely.

I'm sure someone can answer this, but what are the benefits of having the scouting system enabled at 100% vs just disabling the scouting system? Do you need it enabled to have international finds and such?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by snepp

I've never looked at it that way, but I've never played with scouting accuracy at 100% or with scouting off entirely.

I'm sure someone can answer this, but what are the benefits of having the scouting system enabled at 100% vs just disabling the scouting system? Do you need it enabled to have international finds and such?

I am using scouting also…what I am saying is that your scouts’ overall and potential overall opinion is always up to date on the profile page no matter what. In the scouting area it’s posted as a snapshot in time.. so the profile rating is always in real-time….something I really disagree with as a design decision.



Edit: I like the idea of having an overall and overall potential rating, I just think it should be a snapshot in time the way the component ratings are. As it stands you could change the position of any player and get immediate real-time) overall and potentials on the profile page.

[PSUColonel]

I think a system where you have to scout players at certain positions (they must play there to get a rating) would be much more realistic.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am using scouting also…what I am saying is that your scouts’ overall and potential overall opinion is always up to date on the profile page no matter what. I’m the scouting area it’s posted as a snapshot in time.. so the profile rating is always in real-time….something I really disagree with as a design decision.



Edit: I like the idea of having an overall and overall potential rating, I just think it should be a snapshot in time the way the component ratings are. As it stands you could change the position of any player and get immediate real-time) overall and potentials on the profile page.

I do agree with this. IRL an organization's "file" on a player is only as current as the most current scouting reports. Even if a player is playing better than or worse than what the scouting reports say, if you're putting grades and values on his skills it's only going to be as current as the most recent time that he was really scouted and evaluated..... So for OOTP to use an "up to date" rating on the profile screen, when his most recent scouting report is 3 months old on the scouting screen doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But it is what it is.

[torpidbeaver]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am using scouting also…what I am saying is that your scouts’ overall and potential overall opinion is always up to date on the profile page no matter what. I’m the scouting area it’s posted as a snapshot in time.. so the profile rating is always in real-time….something I really disagree with as a design decision.



Edit: I like the idea of having an overall and overall potential rating, I just think it should be a snapshot in time the way the component ratings are. As it stands you could change the position of any player and get immediate real-time) overall and potentials on the profile page.

Wait, a player's hit/gap/power/eye/k's rating is a snapshot of the last time the scout saw that player, but the overall is constantly updated as if the scout were looking at every player always?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by torpidbeaver

Wait, a player's hit/gap/power/eye/k's rating is a snapshot of the last time the scout saw that player, but the overall is constantly updated as if the scout were looking at every player always?

on the profile page, yes.