Indians/Guardians

sdw1000 · 08-22-2022, 08:14 PM

I get calling them the Guardians for this year. But the fact that you can't use "Indians" for the rest of the history of the INDIANS is ridiculous. It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history. No..Bob Feller didn't play for the Guardians. God forbid if this company had an NFL game. They'd refuse to say Redskins. But you guys stay woke. That's my rant. That's all

locuspc · 08-22-2022, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sdw1000

I get calling them the Guardians for this year. But the fact that you can't use "Indians" for the rest of the history of the INDIANS is ridiculous. It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history. No..Bob Feller didn't play for the Guardians. God forbid if this company had an NFL game. They'd refuse to say Redskins. But you guys stay woke. That's my rant. That's all

Yeah, it's ridiculous, but the decision was made by the Guardians, not OOTP. They are actively whitewashing their history and as licensors OOTP just has to accept it as a condition of the license. Call up the MLB hotline and complain, don't take it out on this forum.

There are mods that exist that undo the rewriting of history, I would recommend that as a workaround while you seek to persuade the Guardians ownership group of the righteousness of your cause.

sdw1000 · 08-22-2022, 08:35 PM

I'll take it out where ever I want to. But yes, it was the team in Cleveland that made this decision. I can easily erase the Guardians name and put Indians all day. I just wanted them to know how ridiculous it was. But I know they really can't do anything about it since they are licensed by MLB. Thanks for your reply.

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Originally Posted by locuspc

Yeah, it's ridiculous, but the decision was made by the Guardians, not OOTP. They are actively whitewashing their history and as licensors OOTP just has to accept it as a condition of the license. Call up the MLB hotline and complain, don't take it out on this forum.

There are mods that exist that undo the rewriting of history, I would recommend that as a workaround while you seek to persuade the Guardians ownership group of the righteousness of your cause.

uruguru · 08-22-2022, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sdw1000

I get calling them the Guardians for this year. But the fact that you can't use "Indians" for the rest of the history of the INDIANS is ridiculous. It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history. No..Bob Feller didn't play for the Guardians. God forbid if this company had an NFL game. They'd refuse to say Redskins. But you guys stay woke. That's my rant. That's all

It is incredibly stupid. We still have the race line pre-1947 but at least they're called the Guardians.

I just change the name back to Indians every off-season in my historical sims. I understand the licensing issues, but a way to lock team names would be great.

RubeBaker · 08-22-2022, 10:17 PM

I honestly couldn't care less. There are bigger issues in the world right now than this. Here's a funny story: I just played the 2020 season as if COVID never happened and the World Series was between the Cleveland Indians and Los Angeles Dodgers. The winner? Cleveland. The very next year, I had them become the Guardians, but at least they finally won it all.

low · 08-22-2022, 10:42 PM

Nevermind.

darkcloud4579 · 08-23-2022, 12:53 AM

Enough of these posts, it's a customizable game. Just edit your team name in the beginning and call it a day. You can keep all these huffing and puffing about why it bothers you to yourselves, these posts do no one any good and it's not as if the game has banned the name. OOTP is a business and MLB laid down the law, and guess what...their constraints are more important than your crying. Imagine being this invested in a racist caricature anyway?

The main difference is, here at OOTP you can maybe have someone listen whereas with a console game forum you'd just be blocked or banned and that'd be it.

mytreds · 08-23-2022, 02:06 AM

I think as long as complaints are done in a considerate and tempered manner, they should be seen and discussed.

Changing the name is ridiculous. Wait until the Braves and Chiefs are no longer good, and you’ll see the same happen to them. It’s a big reason I (and many, many others) don’t watch baseball anymore. As long as the OOTP crew allow us to customize team names, that suits me fine.

locuspc · 08-23-2022, 02:19 AM

The Indians changing their name to the Guardians is perfectly reasonable. Teams have changed their names countless times in the history of baseball, often for rather petty reasons. That's fine; it's their name, they can change it if they like. If you have a problem with that, you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

But the Guardians have gone further than that. You can change your name if you like, but you can't rewrite history to pretend your old name never existed. History doesn't belong to you. The Guardians brand is owned by the Guardians owners, but history is the common heritage of humanity. So when the Guardians put pressure on a historical simulation game to misrepresent history in this fashion, that's egregious behavior, and it would be reasonable to boycott Guardians games and merchandise in response. Keep your hands off our history!

The Game · 08-23-2022, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sdw1000

I get calling them the Guardians for this year. But the fact that you can't use "Indians" for the rest of the history of the INDIANS is ridiculous. It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history. No..Bob Feller didn't play for the Guardians. God forbid if this company had an NFL game. They'd refuse to say Redskins. But you guys stay woke. That's my rant. That's all

Has nothing to do with OOTP. It has to do with Larry Dolan. There is a fix to it. I use it for my Sox 1976- Today league.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...light=accuracy

The Game · 08-23-2022, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by uruguru

It is incredibly stupid. We still have the race line pre-1947 but at least they're called the Guardians.

I just change the name back to Indians every off-season in my historical sims. I understand the licensing issues, but a way to lock team names would be great.

Try the mod i linked. It works for 1976. I am still stuck in March of 1976.

OutS|der · 08-23-2022, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mytreds

I think as long as complaints are done in a considerate and tempered manner, they should be seen and discussed.

Changing the name is ridiculous. Wait until the Braves and Chiefs are no longer good, and you’ll see the same happen to them. It’s a big reason I (and many, many others) don’t watch baseball anymore. As long as the OOTP crew allow us to customize team names, that suits me fine.

You stopped watching baseball due to a nickname change? You were never a true fan and the game is better off without you and you’re ignorant backwards thinking.
Poor baby can’t use racist names, oh no.

luckymann · 08-23-2022, 09:03 AM

Just pretend the first syllable is silent and call them the "Ians". Sign Kennedy, Happ, Anderson and a few others; get Kinsler and Desmond to come out of retirement, heck even Chris Ianetta could sneak in. Boom! Instant realism.

Socali · 08-23-2022, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sdw1000

...It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history.... But you guys [OOTP] stay woke...

Markus announcement regarding this on April, 14, 2022.

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Originally Posted by sdw1000

... I just wanted them [OOTP] to know how ridiculous it was. But I know they really can't do anything about it since they are licensed by MLB.

NOW, you want to pretend that you know OOTP cannot do anything about it since you ALREADY knew and yet you start this thread calling OOTP out for being woke?

Honesty, Truth, Humility, Character are not just words.

Ty Cobb · 08-23-2022, 09:42 AM

If we’re going to spend a bunch of time flogging a dead horse, would someone be so kind as to bring me some popcorn and a JR Ewing sized Crown rocks? Perhaps you could even join me grillside fos some steak and corn on the cob. We might as well discuss something else like gentlemen while the polarizers whip themselves into a frenzy. Auto da fé, anyone?

Socali · 08-23-2022, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

If we’re going to spend a bunch of time flogging a dead horse, would someone be so kind as to bring me some popcorn and a JR Ewing sized Crown rocks? Perhaps you could even join me grillside fos some steak and corn on the cob. We might as well discuss something else like gentlemen while the polarizers whip themselves into a frenzy. Auto da fé, anyone?

This thread should not now really be a debate on the Guardians/Indians issue as that topic already has a long thread(s).

What this thread should be about now is someone starting a thread slamming OOTP about something they have nothing to do with then pretending they knew about the MLB licensing issue when someone called the OP out on this. Clearly, the OP started this thread not realizing (or remembering) that.

Hopefully, it was a temporary lack of humility in not admitting he messed up and a “nevermind” would have sufficed.

Ty Cobb · 08-23-2022, 10:49 AM

An auto da fé would be more entertaining I think, but I do hope you're correct. This entire thread should be dumpstered.

bwiese3908 · 08-23-2022, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OutS|der

You stopped watching baseball due to a nickname change? You were never a true fan and the game is better off without you and you’re ignorant backwards thinking.
Poor baby can’t use racist names, oh no.

you ok?

HRBaker · 08-23-2022, 11:21 AM

I hate the idea of erasing history as much as anyone, but...

This is Dolan's fault. Period. MLB following his lead because they are an American League charter member; OOTP doing what's required to keep their license.

End.

08-22-2022, 08:14 PM	#1
sdw1000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SC USA Posts: 928 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Indians/Guardians I get calling them the Guardians for this year. But the fact that you can't use "Indians" for the rest of the history of the INDIANS is ridiculous. It's like you, OOTP, have decided to erase their history and the word Indians from Cleveland's history. No..Bob Feller didn't play for the Guardians. God forbid if this company had an NFL game. They'd refuse to say Redskins. But you guys stay woke. That's my rant. That's all

08-22-2022, 10:42 PM	#6
low Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 6,116	Nevermind. __________________ My fictional team logos and uniforms Last edited by low; 08-22-2022 at 10:56 PM. Reason: Ugh.

08-23-2022, 02:06 AM	#8
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,182	I think as long as complaints are done in a considerate and tempered manner, they should be seen and discussed. Changing the name is ridiculous. Wait until the Braves and Chiefs are no longer good, and you’ll see the same happen to them. It’s a big reason I (and many, many others) don’t watch baseball anymore. As long as the OOTP crew allow us to customize team names, that suits me fine. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

08-23-2022, 09:03 AM	#13
luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 13,472	Just pretend the first syllable is silent and call them the "Ians". Sign Kennedy, Happ, Anderson and a few others; get Kinsler and Desmond to come out of retirement, heck even Chris Ianetta could sneak in. Boom! Instant realism. __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE GULF LEAGUE USBA

08-23-2022, 09:42 AM	#15
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,586	If we’re going to spend a bunch of time flogging a dead horse, would someone be so kind as to bring me some popcorn and a JR Ewing sized Crown rocks? Perhaps you could even join me grillside fos some steak and corn on the cob. We might as well discuss something else like gentlemen while the polarizers whip themselves into a frenzy. Auto da fé, anyone? __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

08-22-2022, 10:17 PM	#5
RubeBaker All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 642	I honestly couldn't care less. There are bigger issues in the world right now than this. Here's a funny story: I just played the 2020 season as if COVID never happened and the World Series was between the Cleveland Indians and Los Angeles Dodgers. The winner? Cleveland. The very next year, I had them become the Guardians, but at least they finally won it all.

08-23-2022, 12:53 AM	#7
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,688	Enough of these posts, it's a customizable game. Just edit your team name in the beginning and call it a day. You can keep all these huffing and puffing about why it bothers you to yourselves, these posts do no one any good and it's not as if the game has banned the name. OOTP is a business and MLB laid down the law, and guess what...their constraints are more important than your crying. Imagine being this invested in a racist caricature anyway? The main difference is, here at OOTP you can maybe have someone listen whereas with a console game forum you'd just be blocked or banned and that'd be it.

08-23-2022, 02:19 AM	#9
locuspc Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 301	The Indians changing their name to the Guardians is perfectly reasonable. Teams have changed their names countless times in the history of baseball, often for rather petty reasons. That's fine; it's their name, they can change it if they like. If you have a problem with that, you're just complaining for the sake of complaining. But the Guardians have gone further than that. You can change your name if you like, but you can't rewrite history to pretend your old name never existed. History doesn't belong to you. The Guardians brand is owned by the Guardians owners, but history is the common heritage of humanity. So when the Guardians put pressure on a historical simulation game to misrepresent history in this fashion, that's egregious behavior, and it would be reasonable to boycott Guardians games and merchandise in response. Keep your hands off our history!

08-23-2022, 10:49 AM	#17
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,586	An auto da fé would be more entertaining I think, but I do hope you're correct. This entire thread should be dumpstered. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

08-23-2022, 11:21 AM	#19
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,368	I hate the idea of erasing history as much as anyone, but... This is Dolan's fault. Period. MLB following his lead because they are an American League charter member; OOTP doing what's required to keep their license. End.