best closer ever

hardcorebubba · 05-05-2003, 11:59 PM

i have a closer who just now turned 32 and has over 330 carrer saves and 7 straight years with at least 40 saves. i was wondering what the record for carrer saves is and what the recored for consective season with 40 ane more saves is?

twins15 · 05-06-2003, 12:00 AM

http://baseball-reference.com/leaders/SV_career.shtml

The career record is 478 by Lee Smith.

hardcorebubba · 05-06-2003, 12:03 AM

so looks he will shatter the record then

Draft Dodger · 05-06-2003, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by hardcorebubba
so looks he will shatter the record then

shatter the record, shatter his arm. could go either way

Ben E Lou · 05-06-2003, 12:08 AM

When you play modern era ball, the saves record gets shattered. I did 100 years of modern-era simming, and 10 guys have 500+ saves.

Steve Kuffrey · 05-06-2003, 12:10 AM

Whoa, maybe needs to be adjusted. Any suggestions?

Eckstein 4 Prez · 05-06-2003, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Whoa, maybe needs to be adjusted. Any suggestions?

If the modern era went on for another 80-90 years, I'm sure the record would be shattered many times.

Ben E Lou · 05-06-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Whoa, maybe needs to be adjusted. Any suggestions?

I disagree. We've only had 20ish years of heavy closer usage by every team in MLB. I played out 100 years with heavy closer usage. I think that is a reasonable result. Of the guys in MLB now, Nen has a shot at 500, and if Urbina and Koch were to continue as closers into their late 30's, they'll both get 500.

Ben E Lou · 05-06-2003, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Eckstein 4 Prez
If the modern era went on for another 80-90 years, I'm sure the record would be shattered many times.

Heh. You beat me to it.

Ben E Lou · 05-06-2003, 12:26 AM

You know me....gotta give some numbers to back it up.

Fifteen guys had 35+ saves last year in MLB. That is exactly 1/2 the number of teams in MLB. Therefore, one could say that an "average" closer is getting around 35 saves a year these days. So, 14 years of being an "average" closer would give a guy 490 saves. It isn't difficult at all to imagine that if baseball were to be played essential the same way it is being played today for the next 80-90 yearsm, that there would be at least 10 guys who had 14+ seasons as the primary closer.

ZouDave · 05-06-2003, 12:48 AM

He's good, I'll give you that. But you're not gonna touch Carey Kramer.

20 seasons
1084 games
87-19 W/L record
828 career saves
1.01 ERA
1490 K's
151 BB's

If he came into the game, it was already too late.

Cuss16 · 05-06-2003, 12:55 AM

what's the most saves anyone has ever seen in a single season.
I had a guy named bernito francisco who had 50 saves one season.

messenjah · 05-06-2003, 01:36 AM

Matt Ginter had 55 one year for my Chicago Cubs and another year had 51. He's had like 7 straight years over 40. Plus he's only 33.

dumrox · 05-06-2003, 02:36 AM

Mitch Teixeira had 56 for the ChiSox in 2048. He's my career leader in saves with 633 (104 years simmed so far). He was good, but he was no Carey Kramer!

fantom1979 · 05-06-2003, 03:51 AM

Albert Ballesteros and Antonio Caudillo both saved 52 in my career. The all time record is by Pablo Caban with 737. The great thing is that Caban never (not once) led the league with saves in a season. He was a closer for 21 strong seasons.

Kelric · 05-06-2003, 07:04 AM

Carey Kramer is untouchable, wow.

My career leader in seasons I have actually been involved in (I don't care enough about 100 season sims to include those in my own personal records) is roughly 580 saves in exactly 20 years. I think he peaked at 53 one year, though I could be off by one or two. However the guy whose name I forget also lead all career closers in that league in blown saves as well. He had a lot of numbers, but wasn't overly dominant the entire time.

CBL-Commish · 05-06-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
It isn't difficult at all to imagine that if baseball were to be played essential the same way it is being played today for the next 80-90 yearsm, ...

But we all know it won't. Even in the 1910-50 era, where we had the same 16 team in the same cities for the entire time (arguably the most static period of any major sports league ever) the way the game was played changed immensely. I wouln't be terribly surprised if in 2030 the league leaders had 20 saves... or 5 or 70.

Ben E Lou · 05-06-2003, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by CBL-Commish
But we all know it won't. Even in the 1910-50 era, where we had the same 16 team in the same cities for the entire time (arguably the most static period of any major sports league ever) the way the game was played changed immensely. I wouln't be terribly surprised if in 2030 the league leaders had 20 saves... or 5 or 70.

Oh...I agree with you there. All I'm saying is that when we set the game to sim 100 years of the way the game is played today, we shouldn't bd surprised that we see so many saves, so few 300-win pitchers, etc.

cooper_gd · 05-06-2003, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by ZouDave
He's good, I'll give you that. But you're not gonna touch Carey Kramer.

20 seasons
1084 games
87-19 W/L record
828 career saves
1.01 ERA
1490 K's
151 BB's

If he came into the game, it was already too late.

He would have been a great closer for my team to compliment this guy if needed - as a starter...

Yazman Dazu SP RHP
1.81 ERA
5116.2 IP 162 CG
3456 Hits 5216 K
432-72 in 18 seasons
3 NO-NO's
Won Dominator Award (Cy Young) every year except last... 17 in a row. Had 20+ wins every seaon but last (17-6).

Best Season -->
32-1 1.02 ERA 331.1 IP 227 H 367 K 44 BB 14 CG 9 SO <---

.231 21HR 87RBI as a batter! (career)

OT... sorry. Just love that guy.

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ZouDave Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 313	He's good, I'll give you that. But you're not gonna touch Carey Kramer. 20 seasons 1084 games 87-19 W/L record 828 career saves 1.01 ERA 1490 K's 151 BB's If he came into the game, it was already too late. __________________ ZD

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Cuss16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: BC, CANADA Posts: 2,994	what's the most saves anyone has ever seen in a single season. I had a guy named bernito francisco who had 50 saves one season. __________________

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hardcorebubba Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 161	so looks he will shatter the record then

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Ben E Lou Front Office Football Central Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Souf Cackilacky Posts: 1,762	When you play modern era ball, the saves record gets shattered. I did 100 years of modern-era simming, and 10 guys have 500+ saves.

05-06-2003, 12:26 AM	#10
Ben E Lou Front Office Football Central Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Souf Cackilacky Posts: 1,762	You know me....gotta give some numbers to back it up. Fifteen guys had 35+ saves last year in MLB. That is exactly 1/2 the number of teams in MLB. Therefore, one could say that an "average" closer is getting around 35 saves a year these days. So, 14 years of being an "average" closer would give a guy 490 saves. It isn't difficult at all to imagine that if baseball were to be played essential the same way it is being played today for the next 80-90 yearsm, that there would be at least 10 guys who had 14+ seasons as the primary closer.

05-06-2003, 01:36 AM	#13
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Matt Ginter had 55 one year for my Chicago Cubs and another year had 51. He's had like 7 straight years over 40. Plus he's only 33.

05-06-2003, 02:36 AM	#14
dumrox Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 144	Mitch Teixeira had 56 for the ChiSox in 2048. He's my career leader in saves with 633 (104 years simmed so far). He was good, but he was no Carey Kramer!

05-06-2003, 03:51 AM	#15
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Albert Ballesteros and Antonio Caudillo both saved 52 in my career. The all time record is by Pablo Caban with 737. The great thing is that Caban never (not once) led the league with saves in a season. He was a closer for 21 strong seasons. __________________

05-06-2003, 07:04 AM	#16
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Carey Kramer is untouchable, wow. My career leader in seasons I have actually been involved in (I don't care enough about 100 season sims to include those in my own personal records) is roughly 580 saves in exactly 20 years. I think he peaked at 53 one year, though I could be off by one or two. However the guy whose name I forget also lead all career closers in that league in blown saves as well. He had a lot of numbers, but wasn't overly dominant the entire time.