Who's Cy Young?

cooper_gd · 04-29-2003, 07:49 AM

This has probably been covered... in fact, I think a few years ago it was brought up

but I thought I could ask again . . .

Any chance at all, what-so-ever, for a reliever to win a "Pitcher of the Year" award?

Is there an inning min for the award? Be able to qualify by innings for ERA leader?

Current closer . . .

6-0, 57 saves (2 BS), 0.70 ERA, .78 WHIP... this is 2/3 of the way through my season... I have 84 wins and this guy has part in 63 of them. I am doing this on purpose with the guy to see what happens... I figure that he has no chance without being qualified in innings.

**this is a pretty big "legal cheat" season... the closer in question has an A in endurance, so I will go three innings with him in a blow-out to get the junk save and have him pitch the last out of the 9th of any save situation, no matter what.

One suggestion is Reliever of the Year... just cosmetic cake of course, but prob a pretty easy one.

ctorg · 04-29-2003, 08:11 AM

Yeah, I always thought it was kind of lame that a reliever can't seem to win the award, especially the way things are in the modern era.

Raidergoo · 04-29-2003, 09:35 AM

I would like to see a Top Reliever Award coded.

bsbll_n_mn · 04-29-2003, 09:53 AM

aka Fireman of the year

didn't Dennis Eckserly win Cy Young as a closer? i thought he was one of a few to win the Cy Young as a closer and a starting pitcher, however it could have been a different award

blubbla · 04-29-2003, 09:57 AM

Eck did win the Cy Young ... think it was 1992.

bsbll_n_mn · 04-29-2003, 09:58 AM

i'm sorry...i didnt have my history correct

Eck won MVP and Cy Young in the same year as a closer, 6-0 51 sv 1.?? ERA.

There is also Rolaids Relief Award (or is that the same as Fireman of the year)

blubbla · 04-29-2003, 10:07 AM

Fireman = Rolaids

Can't remember when Rolaids got the sponsorship of the award.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-29-2003, 10:10 AM

Steve Bedrosian was another reliever who won the Cy Young.

Spielman · 04-29-2003, 10:26 AM

Willie Hernandez won the MVP and Cy Young in 1984 as well.

There was a fluke season for ya.

Cal Ripken, Eddie Murray and Alan Trammell would all have been much better picks for MVP, though.

-The Mindless

Bears5122 · 04-29-2003, 10:59 AM

I like the idea of Reliever of the Year. It would seem pretty easy to code if you ask me. I'm glad relievers can't and don't win the Cy Young in this game. I think no reliever should ever win Cy Young.

CubsFan · 04-29-2003, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by bsbll_n_mn
Eck won MVP and Cy Young in the same year as a closer, 6-0 51 sv 1.?? ERA.

Just a statistical note: In 1992, Eck won the MVP and Cy Young. That year, he appeared in 69 games, had a record of 7-1, with 51 saves. He struck out 93 batters in 80 IP, while walking only 11. His ERA was 1.91, and his ERA+ was 196.

For those who don't remember just how dominant Eck was as a closer, in 1990 Eck won no award. That year, he appeared in 63 games, had a record of 4-2, with 48 saves. He struck out 73 batters in 73 1/3 IP, while walking only 4. He gave up only 2 HR's all year. He allowed only 5 earned runs all year. His ERA was 0.61, and his ERA+ was 606.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-29-2003, 11:23 AM

Yeah, but he had that horrible mullet. No one with a mullet should win a Cy Young.

draven085 · 04-29-2003, 11:23 AM

He didn't deserve an award...he pitched 73 innings. thats like a hitter playing 50 games. Sure, he was dominant, but a closer is basically a part time player.

HolyCow98 · 04-29-2003, 11:31 AM

Ahhh the debate of the value of the closer....

I would love to see an award added to cover relieve pitchers...

For me the awards are a part of the game that adds to the history of the game as your league evolves and develops through the seasons...so the more ways to "look back" the better...

dolfin · 04-29-2003, 11:34 AM

A closer isn't anymore of a part time player than a starter who plays in 1-2 games a week.

darkhorse · 04-29-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Yeah, but he had that horrible mullet. No one with a mullet should win a Cy Young.

ROFL.

darkhorse · 04-29-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by CubsFan
Just a statistical note: In 1992, Eck won the MVP and Cy Young. That year, he appeared in 69 games, had a record of 7-1, with 51 saves. He struck out 93 batters in 80 IP, while walking only 11. His ERA was 1.91, and his ERA+ was 196.

For those who don't remember just how dominant Eck was as a closer, in 1990 Eck won no award. That year, he appeared in 63 games, had a record of 4-2, with 48 saves. He struck out 73 batters in 73 1/3 IP, while walking only 4. He gave up only 2 HR's all year. He allowed only 5 earned runs all year. His ERA was 0.61, and his ERA+ was 606.

I'm of the opinion no reliever has ever deserved a Cy Young or the MVP award. They just don't pitch enough to have the same impact as a great SP. Having said that, Eckersley's numbers in his prime were shockingly good.

draven085 · 04-29-2003, 11:39 AM

A good starter can throw between 200-230 innings a year....a closer who throws LOTS of innings gets 1/3 of that...maybe. sounds more like a part time player to me.

sporr · 04-29-2003, 12:06 PM

Maybe they should also have an award for top pinch-hitter of the year. That's basically a closer's positional equivalent. Unless they start giving more value to the "tough save", then the Reliever of the Year award is fluff in my opinion.

Plutoro · 04-29-2003, 03:03 PM

Look at the redsox and tell me a closer isn't important.

not that they should win a cy young or MVP...but they arn't part time They pitch when needed and are ALOT more important then a .260-10-55 LF with an average arm and range.. even if he plays 150 games.

04-29-2003, 07:49 AM	#1
cooper_gd All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PopBunker.net Posts: 1,011	Who's Cy Young? This has probably been covered... in fact, I think a few years ago it was brought up but I thought I could ask again . . . Any chance at all, what-so-ever, for a reliever to win a "Pitcher of the Year" award? Is there an inning min for the award? Be able to qualify by innings for ERA leader? Current closer . . . 6-0, 57 saves (2 BS), 0.70 ERA, .78 WHIP... this is 2/3 of the way through my season... I have 84 wins and this guy has part in 63 of them. I am doing this on purpose with the guy to see what happens... I figure that he has no chance without being qualified in innings. **this is a pretty big "legal cheat" season... the closer in question has an A in endurance, so I will go three innings with him in a blow-out to get the junk save and have him pitch the last out of the 9th of any save situation, no matter what. One suggestion is Reliever of the Year... just cosmetic cake of course, but prob a pretty easy one.

04-29-2003, 08:11 AM	#2
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Yeah, I always thought it was kind of lame that a reliever can't seem to win the award, especially the way things are in the modern era. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-29-2003, 10:26 AM	#9
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	Willie Hernandez won the MVP and Cy Young in 1984 as well. There was a fluke season for ya. Cal Ripken, Eddie Murray and Alan Trammell would all have been much better picks for MVP, though. -The Mindless __________________ Spielman was at one time the smartest person on these boards. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...martest+Person I don't believe in AnotherAlias.

04-29-2003, 11:31 AM	#14
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Ahhh the debate of the value of the closer.... I would love to see an award added to cover relieve pitchers... For me the awards are a part of the game that adds to the history of the game as your league evolves and develops through the seasons...so the more ways to "look back" the better... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-29-2003, 09:35 AM	#3
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	I would like to see a Top Reliever Award coded.

04-29-2003, 09:53 AM	#4
bsbll_n_mn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 593	aka Fireman of the year didn't Dennis Eckserly win Cy Young as a closer? i thought he was one of a few to win the Cy Young as a closer and a starting pitcher, however it could have been a different award

04-29-2003, 09:57 AM	#5
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	Eck did win the Cy Young ... think it was 1992.

04-29-2003, 09:58 AM	#6
bsbll_n_mn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 593	i'm sorry...i didnt have my history correct Eck won MVP and Cy Young in the same year as a closer, 6-0 51 sv 1.?? ERA. There is also Rolaids Relief Award (or is that the same as Fireman of the year)

04-29-2003, 10:07 AM	#7
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	Fireman = Rolaids Can't remember when Rolaids got the sponsorship of the award.

04-29-2003, 10:10 AM	#8
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Steve Bedrosian was another reliever who won the Cy Young.

04-29-2003, 10:59 AM	#10
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	I like the idea of Reliever of the Year. It would seem pretty easy to code if you ask me. I'm glad relievers can't and don't win the Cy Young in this game. I think no reliever should ever win Cy Young.

04-29-2003, 11:23 AM	#12
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Yeah, but he had that horrible mullet. No one with a mullet should win a Cy Young.

04-29-2003, 11:23 AM	#13
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	He didn't deserve an award...he pitched 73 innings. thats like a hitter playing 50 games. Sure, he was dominant, but a closer is basically a part time player.

04-29-2003, 11:34 AM	#15
dolfin Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6	A closer isn't anymore of a part time player than a starter who plays in 1-2 games a week.

04-29-2003, 11:39 AM	#18
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	A good starter can throw between 200-230 innings a year....a closer who throws LOTS of innings gets 1/3 of that...maybe. sounds more like a part time player to me.

04-29-2003, 12:06 PM	#19
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Maybe they should also have an award for top pinch-hitter of the year. That's basically a closer's positional equivalent. Unless they start giving more value to the "tough save", then the Reliever of the Year award is fluff in my opinion.

04-29-2003, 03:03 PM	#20
Plutoro Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 276	Look at the redsox and tell me a closer isn't important. not that they should win a cy young or MVP...but they arn't part time They pitch when needed and are ALOT more important then a .260-10-55 LF with an average arm and range.. even if he plays 150 games.