Jackie Robinson FH3 or Jackie Robinson Negro All Star!!!

[stan-theman]

I have Robinson All Star but am thinking Robinson FH3 who is the best bet..thanks

[professor ape]

It depends on what you need. Most of their attributes are similar but their use cases are different, mainly because of the positions. The NeL card is a 2B/SS combo while the FH3 card is 2B/1B/3B/LF. The NeL card has a bit of a stronger infield arm and had somewhat of an advantage in Speed and Baserunning. Their Stealing ratings are essentially identical.

[daves]

Since all 30 teams can have the same players, why not allow two Jackie's in the lineup? One could have been named Jack Roosevelt Robinson or Jackie R Robinson.

[Hertston]

Agreed with the professor. I went with the FH3 version because I needed another option at LF rather than SS.

It did seem an unnecessary duplication, though. It was no easy task to complete the NL missions, especially at the time most did it, and it now seems rather pointless. At least the BaL missions fed into FH1 even if the importance of that wasn't fully realized at the time.

[ncap99]

In general I think the FH3 version is far more useful. The NL version is a bad SS and great 2B. The FH3 version is just as good at 2B but is also viable even as a starter in LF. It can also back up 3B and 1B.

Part of the reason the FH3 version is better is the other players available, assuming you've completed the FH3 sets. I think SS is one of the few positions that still require a platoon, and you're not going to want NL versions defense out there for a significant amount of games functioning as half a platoon. So if you're already carrying two SSs, you probably aren't playing him there at all which leaves him as 2B only in a time where you have an insane amount of fantastic 2B options that are better defensively and offensively.

I'm using the FH3 version to backup Brett at 3B when tired, backup Collins at 2B when tired, 2nd tier backup in LF for Simmons/Williams and backup Carew at 1B. He is also my primary pinch runner and first pinch hitter. He has basically replaced Rose for me because he can actually play decent enough defense, especially at 1B, 2B and LF. His 3B defense isn't great because of his arm, but using him there frees up a roster spot to carry another lefty in the pen.

[Hertston]

Originally Posted by ncap99

In general I think the FH3 version is far more useful. The NL version is a bad SS and great 2B.

??? Where do you get 'a bad SS' from? His SS skill is lower than 2B true, but still over 100 with the same excellent infield stats. I wouldn't start him with better options, but he's fine to back up the position. As I said before, his utility is determined primarily by which position(s) you need back-up for, whether he usually starts at 2B or not.

I still can't get either version to steal effectively, whatever I do with their sliders. They get CS far too often. As most of the competition now has elite defense at every position, going 'full sabermetric' on it seems the only viable option. If not more so.

Glad to see someone having success with Carew. He was such an underperformer for me I've switched Gehrig back in.

[ncap99]

Originally Posted by Hertston

??? Where do you get 'a bad SS' from? His SS skill is lower than 2B true, but still over 100 with the same excellent infield stats. I wouldn't start him with better options, but he's fine to back up the position. As I said before, his utility is determined primarily by which position(s) you need back-up for, whether he usually starts at 2B or not.

I still can't get either version to steal effectively, whatever I do with their sliders. They get CS far too often. As most of the competition now has elite defense at every position, going 'full sabermetric' on it seems the only viable option. If not more so.

Glad to see someone having success with Carew. He was such an underperformer for me I've switched Gehrig back in.

Not all ratings are equal, and you should never use overall ranks to determine anything. He is a bad SS because his arm and range are well below average for the position. He will almost certainly get you a significant negative value in RNG and ZR (something you can check on the fielding stats tab), unless for some reason your league has a lot of people playing bad shortstops. Range is by far the most valuable defensive stat at pretty much any position.

At a position like 1B you those effects are minimized, but at a premium defensive position like CF or SS they are amplified. He doesn't generate nearly the offense you'd need to outweigh the negative defensive effects (like say, Pete Rose might have done in LF/RF in the past).

He is a trap card at SS pretty much.

[frankbama]

Of course (mostly) range first then the rest but what technically is "stock" defense in the overall number? How is a guy a 70ish or whatever when they have little range and boot the ball all the time? I don't know a top tier off the top of my head but I just did PTD and got Hrbek which stock looks decent but he had 25 range or something like that with error not much better. Not sure what "stock" takes into account that the individual stats don't, making someone like Jackie have the same range but different stocks at SS and 2b.

[daves]

My has the game changed. It took nearly 500PP to get the Jackie Robinson reward in the NL collection, Now that same Jackie sells for under 70k in the AH.

[Tinkerman]

I wonder how much higher the new Jackie's OPS is as a result of the reduced power?