Pirates Dominate 1901-1909

spleen1015 · 06-06-2002, 11:50 AM

I started a league in 1901. I have coaches and financials turned off. I'm also placing players on their original teams. Here's how the playoffs have turned out 1901-1909.



Year     AL                NL            WS

1901     Chicago (A)       Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

1902     Baltimore         Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

1903     Boston (A)        St. Louis (N) St. Louis (N)

1904     Philadelphia (A)  Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

1905     Boston (A)        Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

1906     Boston (A)        Pittsburgh    Boston (A)

1907     Philadelphia (A)  Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

1908     New York (A)      Chicago (N)   Chicago (N)

1909     New York (A)      Pittsburgh    Pittsburgh

Also note that Boston (A) in 1906 is the only AL team to win the WS thus far.

JimServo · 06-06-2002, 03:35 PM

I experienced similar results in my first serious attempt at a historical league (this one starting in 1902), using OOTP3, the league stopped in 1931...



Pirates Pennant Winners

YEAR      W     L    PCT   GA    WORLD SERIES

1902     95    58   .623    5    Def. PHA 4-2

1903    109    45   .708   21    Lost to CLE 4-0

1904    101    53   .656   19    Lost to PHA 4-1

1905     98    56   .636    6    Def. CLE 4-1

1906     91    63   .591    2    Def. PHA 4-2

1907     95    59   .619    9    Def. CLE 4-2

1908     93    61   .604    2    Def. DET 4-1

1909     98    56   .636    4    Def. BOS 4-0

1916     87    67   .565    3    Lost to CHA 4-1

1923     91    63   .591    3    Lost to NYA 4-2

The Pirates were led by solid pitching, pitching which one 5 Old Hoss Radbourn Awards. They also had a trio of Hall of Famers: Jesse Tannehill (251-116, 2.60 ERA), Deacon Phillippe (218-143, 2.83 ERA), and Jack Chesbro (203-107, 2.76 ERA). They were later joined by Nick Maddox (226-116, 2.93 ERA), whose wins totals were lower then they should have been because it took so long for him to break into the rotation.
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My current replay Pirates have been just as successful, despite to the lack of Chesbro, and Tannehill in their rotation. They have been more solid long term, and they are the most successful franchise in JimServo League History, up to 1924:



Pirates Pennant Winners

YEAR      W     L    PCT   GA    WORLD SERIES

1905     97    57   .630    3    Def. CHA 4-3

1906     92    62   .597    4    Def. PHA 4-3

1907     95    59   .617    7    Def. PHA 4-3

1908     98    56   .636   13    Def. BOS 4-0

1911     87    67   .565    3    Def. BOS 4-3

1912     90    64   .584    3    Def. PHA 4-2

1917     86    68   .558    3    Lost to NYA 4-3

1918     88    66   .571    1    Def. DET 4-3

1921     98    56   .636   11    Lost to BOS 4-0

1923     95    59   .617    5    Def. NYA 4-2

Again, the reasons for the Pirates success is pitching, with 9 OHR Awards awarded to the team by 1924, including 4 to future HOF Nick Maddox, and 3 to HOF Homer Hillebrand, stats follow. One more HOF joined the Pirates in Honus Wagner, again the stats follow. Also worth noting is while the Pirates have never won 100 games in a season, twice they defeated World Series foes with 100+ wins (1906 against the Athletics, and 1911 against the Red Sox).

Homer Hillebrand



YEAR-BY-YEAR STATISTICS

Black Ink Test: 59



Hall of Fame Standards: 59



Hall of Fame Monitor: 212.5



 

YEAR    ERA  W  L  S   G CG SHO    IP  ER  BB   K  TEAMS

1905   1.65 33  4  0  39 32   3 349.2  64 103 186  PIT

1906   2.42 10  6  0  20 12   3 167.1  45  58  84  PIT

1907   2.03 22 10  0  34 29   6 293.0  66 100 170  PIT

1908   2.59 28  9  0  38 34   1 347.1 100 117 218  PIT

1909   2.14 18  9  0  30 27   2 256.1  61  92 144  PIT

1910   2.73 21 10  0  32 30   3 280.0  85 110 184  PIT

1911   3.12 20 10  0  32 28   1 271.0  94  93 190  PIT

1912   3.13 23 15  0  39 38   2 347.2 121 175 235  PIT

1913   3.79  9 11  0  21 18   1 178.1  75  80 141  PIT

1914   3.24 20 18  0  39 35   5 339.0 122 128 311  PIT

1915   3.06 20 12  0  35 31   3 306.0 104 119 283  PIT

1916   3.69 16 16  0  34 28   3 295.1 121 142 245  PIT

1917   2.14  3  0  0   6  3   0  33.2   8  10  21  PIT

1918                                     MINOR LEAGUES

*Won 3 Old Hoss Radbourn Awards (1905, 1908, 1912)

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Career ERA: 2.77 (League ERA: 3.18)

Games: 399 

Wins: 243 

Losses: 130

Saves: 0

Complete Games: 345

Shutouts: 33

Innings Pitched: 3464 2/3

Hits Allowed: 2795

Earned Runs: 1066

Walks: 1327

Strikeouts: 2412

I'll get the Maddox and Wagner stats a bit later...

[ 06-06-2002, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: JimServo ]

06-06-2002, 03:35 PM	#2
JimServo Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Near Philadelphia, PA Posts: 418	I experienced similar results in my first serious attempt at a historical league (this one starting in 1902), using OOTP3, the league stopped in 1931... Pirates Pennant Winners YEAR W L PCT GA WORLD SERIES 1902 95 58 .623 5 Def. PHA 4-2 1903 109 45 .708 21 Lost to CLE 4-0 1904 101 53 .656 19 Lost to PHA 4-1 1905 98 56 .636 6 Def. CLE 4-1 1906 91 63 .591 2 Def. PHA 4-2 1907 95 59 .619 9 Def. CLE 4-2 1908 93 61 .604 2 Def. DET 4-1 1909 98 56 .636 4 Def. BOS 4-0 1916 87 67 .565 3 Lost to CHA 4-1 1923 91 63 .591 3 Lost to NYA 4-2 The Pirates were led by solid pitching, pitching which one 5 Old Hoss Radbourn Awards. They also had a trio of Hall of Famers: Jesse Tannehill (251-116, 2.60 ERA), Deacon Phillippe (218-143, 2.83 ERA), and Jack Chesbro (203-107, 2.76 ERA). They were later joined by Nick Maddox (226-116, 2.93 ERA), whose wins totals were lower then they should have been because it took so long for him to break into the rotation. ----------- My current replay Pirates have been just as successful, despite to the lack of Chesbro, and Tannehill in their rotation. They have been more solid long term, and they are the most successful franchise in JimServo League History, up to 1924: Pirates Pennant Winners YEAR W L PCT GA WORLD SERIES 1905 97 57 .630 3 Def. CHA 4-3 1906 92 62 .597 4 Def. PHA 4-3 1907 95 59 .617 7 Def. PHA 4-3 1908 98 56 .636 13 Def. BOS 4-0 1911 87 67 .565 3 Def. BOS 4-3 1912 90 64 .584 3 Def. PHA 4-2 1917 86 68 .558 3 Lost to NYA 4-3 1918 88 66 .571 1 Def. DET 4-3 1921 98 56 .636 11 Lost to BOS 4-0 1923 95 59 .617 5 Def. NYA 4-2 Again, the reasons for the Pirates success is pitching, with 9 OHR Awards awarded to the team by 1924, including 4 to future HOF Nick Maddox, and 3 to HOF Homer Hillebrand, stats follow. One more HOF joined the Pirates in Honus Wagner, again the stats follow. Also worth noting is while the Pirates have never won 100 games in a season, twice they defeated World Series foes with 100+ wins (1906 against the Athletics, and 1911 against the Red Sox). Homer Hillebrand YEAR-BY-YEAR STATISTICS Black Ink Test: 59 Hall of Fame Standards: 59 Hall of Fame Monitor: 212.5 YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS 1905 1.65 33 4 0 39 32 3 349.2 64 103 186 PIT 1906 2.42 10 6 0 20 12 3 167.1 45 58 84 PIT 1907 2.03 22 10 0 34 29 6 293.0 66 100 170 PIT 1908 2.59 28 9 0 38 34 1 347.1 100 117 218 PIT 1909 2.14 18 9 0 30 27 2 256.1 61 92 144 PIT 1910 2.73 21 10 0 32 30 3 280.0 85 110 184 PIT 1911 3.12 20 10 0 32 28 1 271.0 94 93 190 PIT 1912 3.13 23 15 0 39 38 2 347.2 121 175 235 PIT 1913 3.79 9 11 0 21 18 1 178.1 75 80 141 PIT 1914 3.24 20 18 0 39 35 5 339.0 122 128 311 PIT 1915 3.06 20 12 0 35 31 3 306.0 104 119 283 PIT 1916 3.69 16 16 0 34 28 3 295.1 121 142 245 PIT 1917 2.14 3 0 0 6 3 0 33.2 8 10 21 PIT 1918 MINOR LEAGUES *Won 3 Old Hoss Radbourn Awards (1905, 1908, 1912) ------- Career ERA: 2.77 (League ERA: 3.18) Games: 399 Wins: 243 Losses: 130 Saves: 0 Complete Games: 345 Shutouts: 33 Innings Pitched: 3464 2/3 Hits Allowed: 2795 Earned Runs: 1066 Walks: 1327 Strikeouts: 2412 I'll get the Maddox and Wagner stats a bit later... [ 06-06-2002, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: JimServo ] __________________ "When I was a small boy in Kansas, a friend of mine and I went fishing and as we sat there in the warmth of the summer afternoon on a river bank, we talked about what we wanted to do when we grew up. I told him that I wanted to be a real major league baseball player, a genuine professional like Honus Wagner. My friend said that he'd like to be President of the United States. Neither of us got our wish." -Dwight D. Eisenhower