Which Pitcher Would You Choose for Cy Young Award?

KBLover · 05-07-2021, 02:19 PM

Just had a tight Cy Young race between two pitchers:

Pitcher A
16-4, 2.86 ERA, 207 IP, 256 K (lead league), lead league in WHIP (1.00), HR/9 (0.6), and WAR (9.1)

Pitcher B
19-2, 1.99 ERA (lead league by far), 194 IP, 195 K, 1.06 WHIP, 0.8 HR/9, 6.2 WAR

Pitcher A:
FIP: 2.27
ERA+: 161
GS: 32
Team: 99-63

Pitcher B:
FIP: 3.07
ERA+: 229
GS: 34 (lead league)
Team: 99-63

Yes, both teams had the same exact record. The two pitchers didn't meet in the regular season. They met in the playoffs and Pitcher A's team won, but Pitcher B had the better outing and got stuck with a ND.

Who would you write in 1st place on your ballot?

pgjocki · 05-07-2021, 02:27 PM

B

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Reed · 05-07-2021, 02:40 PM

A

Miamikb2001 · 05-07-2021, 03:05 PM

Got go B for me much better ERA also 19 wins it’s close but o go B.Of course being 48 I’m old school lol!New school probaly goes A

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AirmenSmith · 05-07-2021, 04:42 PM

B for me. I don't go with the analytics and such. So B passes the eye test.

jtsjc1 · 05-07-2021, 05:03 PM

Nineteen wins is nineteen wins. My pitchers stats aren't going to get me to the playoffs wins are. I'm not an analytics guy either. Just win baby.

Daniel_09 · 05-07-2021, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtsjc1

Nineteen wins is nineteen wins. My pitchers stats aren't going to get me to the playoffs wins are. I'm not an analytics guy either. Just win baby.

Pitcher A any day of the week...

More IP, More K's, Less HR/9 , Almost 1/3 more WAR than Pitcher B

This pitcher almost gave you 9 wins above an average starter. The other only 6.

KBLover · 05-07-2021, 05:40 PM

So far the vote here is as close as it was in my league.

B leading 4-2

Dodger_Dave · 05-07-2021, 06:09 PM

Kershaw vs. Greg Maddux? That 9.1 WAR sticks out to me.

A

timmermac · 05-07-2021, 06:20 PM

Team record? To me, that actually does make a difference. I'd be inclined to go B, otherwise.

PocketsAintFull · 05-07-2021, 06:28 PM

A

Lower WHIP, more K's, +3 WAR...

OutS|der · 05-07-2021, 07:08 PM

A

fuzzy_patters · 05-07-2021, 07:36 PM

B- Some of that WAR is from having pitched more innings. B did a better job or preventing runs from scoring.

RchW · 05-07-2021, 07:47 PM

What was FIP for each?
ERA+
GS
team record
H2H?

Eugene Church · 05-08-2021, 12:11 AM

B.

Like his 19 wins and very low ERA.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 05-08-2021, 12:40 AM

A, I am 65 but love analytics and agree with the WAR and Ks.

KBLover · 05-08-2021, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

What was FIP for each?
ERA+
GS
team record
H2H?

Pitcher A:
FIP: 2.27
ERA+: 161
GS: 32
Team: 99-63

Pitcher B:
FIP: 3.07
ERA+: 229
GS: 34 (lead league)
Team: 99-63

Yes, both teams had the same exact record. The two pitchers didn't meet in the regular season. They met in the playoffs and Pitcher A's team won, but Pitcher B had the better outing and got stuck with a ND.

KBLover · 05-08-2021, 01:21 AM

Currently the vote is tied 6-6 with one leaning B.

Lucas718 · 05-08-2021, 10:10 AM

I think it really comes down to what you want that award to be in your league. Do you want it to go to the guy who pitched the best, the guy with the most wins, the guy with the lowest ERA, etc?

I think A clearly wins in the columns that determine the quality of pitcher he was - lower WHIP, lower FIP, higher WAR with more innings pitched than B.

But part of me is still traditionalist enough to see B's 19 wins and 1.99 ERA as hard to ignore.

I'd go with A.

RchW · 05-08-2021, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

What was FIP for each?
ERA+
GS
team record
H2H?

I'll take A but it's close.

05-07-2021, 02:19 PM	#1
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	Which Pitcher Would You Choose for Cy Young Award? Just had a tight Cy Young race between two pitchers: Pitcher A 16-4, 2.86 ERA, 207 IP, 256 K (lead league), lead league in WHIP (1.00), HR/9 (0.6), and WAR (9.1) Pitcher B 19-2, 1.99 ERA (lead league by far), 194 IP, 195 K, 1.06 WHIP, 0.8 HR/9, 6.2 WAR Pitcher A: FIP: 2.27 ERA+: 161 GS: 32 Team: 99-63 Pitcher B: FIP: 3.07 ERA+: 229 GS: 34 (lead league) Team: 99-63 Yes, both teams had the same exact record. The two pitchers didn't meet in the regular season. They met in the playoffs and Pitcher A's team won, but Pitcher B had the better outing and got stuck with a ND. Who would you write in 1st place on your ballot? Last edited by KBLover; 05-08-2021 at 01:20 AM. Reason: Added info

05-07-2021, 02:27 PM	#2
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,590	B Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

05-07-2021, 04:42 PM	#5
AirmenSmith Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 2,094	B for me. I don't go with the analytics and such. So B passes the eye test. __________________ Come join me on my Twitch Channel for gaming at its excellence Twitch Link

05-07-2021, 06:20 PM	#10
timmermac Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 449	Team record? To me, that actually does make a difference. I'd be inclined to go B, otherwise. __________________ Running with the 1950 Braves. Crush the baseball. Drive it before you. And hear the lamentation of the opponent's women. I am king of the diamond! Let there be a grand clubhouse feast! Bring me the finest meats and cheeses in all the land!

05-07-2021, 06:28 PM	#11
PocketsAintFull All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,868	A Lower WHIP, more K's, +3 WAR... __________________ ---------------- Bob Uecker, RIP

05-07-2021, 02:40 PM	#3
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	A

05-07-2021, 03:05 PM	#4
Miamikb2001 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Redwood City Ca Posts: 63	Got go B for me much better ERA also 19 wins it’s close but o go B.Of course being 48 I’m old school lol!New school probaly goes A Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-07-2021, 05:03 PM	#6
jtsjc1 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 10	Nineteen wins is nineteen wins. My pitchers stats aren't going to get me to the playoffs wins are. I'm not an analytics guy either. Just win baby.

05-07-2021, 05:40 PM	#8
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	So far the vote here is as close as it was in my league. B leading 4-2

05-07-2021, 06:09 PM	#9
Dodger_Dave Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 33	Kershaw vs. Greg Maddux? That 9.1 WAR sticks out to me. A

05-07-2021, 07:08 PM	#12
OutS\|der Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: In A Van Down By The River Posts: 2,717 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	A

05-07-2021, 07:36 PM	#13
fuzzy_patters All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,806	B- Some of that WAR is from having pitched more innings. B did a better job or preventing runs from scoring.

05-07-2021, 07:47 PM	#14
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	What was FIP for each? ERA+ GS team record H2H? __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 05-07-2021 at 07:50 PM. Reason: need screenshot or more stats

05-08-2021, 12:11 AM	#15
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,068	B. Like his 19 wins and very low ERA.

05-08-2021, 12:40 AM	#16
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	A, I am 65 but love analytics and agree with the WAR and Ks. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

05-08-2021, 01:21 AM	#18
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	Currently the vote is tied 6-6 with one leaning B.

05-08-2021, 10:10 AM	#19
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 401	I think it really comes down to what you want that award to be in your league. Do you want it to go to the guy who pitched the best, the guy with the most wins, the guy with the lowest ERA, etc? I think A clearly wins in the columns that determine the quality of pitcher he was - lower WHIP, lower FIP, higher WAR with more innings pitched than B. But part of me is still traditionalist enough to see B's 19 wins and 1.99 ERA as hard to ignore. I'd go with A.