OOTP Baseball vs. Strat-o-Matic Baseball

JoeP · 11-20-2020, 08:28 AM

Hi OOTP community,

I've been a Strat-o-Matic player for 40+ years starting with cards and over the last 20+ years on the compute version. What I love about SOMBB is the detailed lefty/right analysis for both hitter and pitcher. You can see a players strengths and weaknesses on matchup such as a lefty hitter going up against a lefty specialist pitcher with the pitcher having the upper hand. I've played OOTP BB on my iPad before and don't see any of this breakdown. Is OOTP BB player ratings equivalent to SOMBB basic card (no lefty/righty) breakdowns?

Please advise,

Joe

Questdog · 11-20-2020, 08:47 AM

All players are rated vs lefty/rughty, except some historical players where the data was not available. OOTP is better than SOM at everything except historical replay leagues.

BaseballNewsNow · 11-20-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

All players are rated vs lefty/rughty, except some historical players where the data was not available. OOTP is better than SOM at everything except historical replay leagues.

I for one, would beg to differ on the part about OOTP not being as good as SOM at Historical Replays. I have replayed the 1976 season for, the Reds perspective from both, and OOTP fared a lot better in terms of stats etc.

La La La Linoleum · 11-20-2020, 10:34 AM

I think Questdog is referencing historical replays from earlier seasons where less data is available to work from.

Johnny Case · 11-20-2020, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballNewsNow

I for one, would beg to differ on the part about OOTP not being as good as SOM at Historical Replays. I have replayed the 1976 season for, the Reds perspective from both, and OOTP fared a lot better in terms of stats etc.

Absolutely. I've completed a dozen or so OOTP historical replays (including 1908 and 1920) and not only are the results "truer" than is SOM's (or APBA's), but if you throw in the far deeper stat package, much better CM, plus the eye candy and there just isn't much comparison, imho.

CBeisbol · 11-20-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

All players are rated vs lefty/rughty, except some historical players where the data was not available.

This is factual

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OOTP is better than SOM at everything except historical replay leagues.

This, of course, is opinion.
Almost certainly the prevailing opinion on the OOTP forum for what should be obvious reasons.

What it is that you like (and don't like) about SOM may inform how you'll like OOTP.

OOTP and SOM are different games
Some will prefer one.
Others will prefer the other.
A lot of people play them both and enjoy them both.
And, to complete the though, some people don't like either.

Leo_The_Lip · 11-20-2020, 12:25 PM

My first Strat-O season was playing in 1964 with the 1963-based stats. I played off-and-on through the introduction of splits well into the 1990's. However when Baseball Mogul and OOTP came out, that was it for me with Strat.

Why? The false sense of accuracy from the splits, for one. Now they do represent the actual results of one season. However, they can be highly misleading. For example, the cards that most bothered me were the Champ Summers of the world, a lefty DH who had no hits on his lefty split column. Why? Because he never batted against a lefty. Now is it realistic to give him no chance? Not very. He would have SOME chance of hitting a lefty. And that's what OOTP gives him.

Further, one year splits are notoriously volatile. I like to play careers (something I could never do in Strat) and thus wierd splits like that are not good.

Charlie Hough · 11-20-2020, 12:44 PM

Yes, not only are virtually all players rated against left-handed and right-handed pitchers, but OOTP also tracks all statistics, including advanced sabermetrics, and you can see left/right splits for all your simulated stats where applicable. If there are no real life split statistics for certain historical players, OOTP can automatically create reasonable split ratings for them.

Incidentally, if you played the mobile app version of OOTP, that's nowhere near the experience and feature set you'll get with the desktop version. As someone who has played them all, from SOM and APBA to Statis Pro, MicroLeague and more, I can assure you that this game is the best overall baseball sim that has ever been developed.

Also, if you understand the right settings to use for your historical replay preferences, you can run strict single-season replays and get realistic results, or you can experiment with endless "what if" scenarios and even allow your historical leagues to evolve and take on a life of their own. You have total control over the parameters and how things will be done, but there is a learning curve, and you can always come to these forums and especially the historical simulations sub-forum for advice.

ALB123 · 11-20-2020, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Also, if you understand the right settings to use for your historical replay preferences, you can run strict single-season replays and get realistic results, or you can experiment with endless "what if" scenarios and even allow your historical leagues to evolve and take on a life of their own. You have total control over the parameters and how things will be done, but there is a learning curve, and you can always come to these forums and especially the historical simulations sub-forum for advice.

This is how I've been playing since I got into OOTP just under one year ago. I started in 1981 - all rosters & stats were identical to real life, until the first pitch of opening day 1981. From there I was now on my own personal parallel universe using the OOTP development engine. Anyone looking at the statistical output would believe they were looking at 1981-like statistics at the end of the season. Pitcher stamina replicates 1981. Team BABIP replicates 1981, etc...etc...etc...

For me, the nostalgia factor was an enormous plus. It was so fun to see what 1981 might have looked like if Jim Rice had been traded and if Ron Guidry missed the entire season due to injury and 1,000 other things that were different from the real-life 1981. I don't need to relive the real-life 1981**. I've been through it already. But a parallel universe? OMG. Let the good times roll... I'm now up to the year 1994 and the fun hasn't diminished even one bit. It helps when you have Barry Bonds batting after Bernie Williams.

Not to be too corny about it, but one of the best things about OOTP, for me, has been this community.

** - I mean no disrespect to those who play replay seasons or any other form of OOTP universe. Everybody should play as they see fit. Except for people who play with 9 Aaron Judges in their lineup and 5 Cole's as their rotation. Those people need years of psychological help. We should start a fund. Just kidding. Even those weirdos are cool too.

crookedmacs · 11-21-2020, 10:07 AM

I have played both. My big issue is that every season in Strat is $25. Then when the new season comes out every year you have to buy the PC game all over again. And there is no good reason to. The game is the same it has been since the 90's. There will be a few subtle rule changes, but the main aspect of the entire game is unchanged. Oh, and if you want hi-res stadium pictures instead of the blurry one's the game comes with it will cost you like $35. I like C&D games, but Strat and APBA are the only one's widely enough played to have an actual business front. But they both overcharge and deny like they even have a community. No PDF's, everything costs too much. Outdated methods, Strat is printed on the worst card stock of any game I've rolled.. Maybe it's more statistically accurate. You can have it. I'll stick with OOTP. Even at full price it is the best value of anything in this hobby. Not even close. With an active community, and developers that keep up with the community.

lencombs · 11-21-2020, 01:18 PM

If you are playing on the ipad you are probably playing OOTP MLB Manager and it is a stripped down version of the full game on PC. I never played that version but the full version PC version absolutely has lefty righty matchup breakdown right on the field of play.

In the screenshot you can see a righty vs righty matchup with basic stats at the bottom and if I click on the batter or pitcher I can sort their ratings vs right or left and also their entire career stats vs left or right hander.

sdw1000 · 11-21-2020, 09:37 PM

You must be new here...lol

fredbeene · 11-21-2020, 10:02 PM

sadly ootp dev don't have a basketball or football sim (or even the works that i am aware).....i caved and bought the overpriced strat basketball sim that looks like it came strait out of 1991
as much as ootpb can frustrate me, it has way more potential to quickly implement upgrades and you can play any year!
i couple ootpb with YT classic baseball on radio and twitter old time baseball photos to get my fill of baseball without the need to watch current baseball and love it

clamel · 11-25-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

sadly ootp dev don't have a basketball or football sim (or even the works that i am aware).....i caved and bought the overpriced strat basketball sim that looks like it came strait out of 1991
as much as ootpb can frustrate me, it has way more potential to quickly implement upgrades and you can play any year!
i couple ootpb with YT classic baseball on radio and twitter old time baseball photos to get my fill of baseball without the need to watch current baseball and love it

You should have a look at Wolverines Studios, Basketball and Football manager games, both College and Pro. Only a 2d playing field and very rudamental, but they have detail in the manager sections for sure. Mods helps one play historical season in the Pro versions. They keep improving but still have miles to get anything close to OOTP.

Biggio509 · 11-26-2020, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

sadly ootp dev don't have a basketball or football sim (or even the works that i am aware).....

There was a football game in development beyond the sidelines. Not sure if it still is. I looked it up and there is an old game out of action under that name. Maybe the dev teamed up with OOTP for a bit. Not sure. The site I saw said the original dev passed away not sure if it was the same guy who was developing with OOTP or if it was a different game with the same name.

There was also In the park baseball years ago where it was kind of a RPG where you played one baseball player. It had a random event where you met either Markus or Andrea in a bar it was something like he is a German guy but he knows a lot about baseball. It was kind of fun but I think there was just one version. I used to have it but I am not even sure it would run on windows 10.

deaddogseye · 11-27-2020, 08:50 AM

Im new here so I cant really elaborate but I've played Strat for decades and I like it a lot. I like OOTP a lot as well and also view them as very different.

someone mentioned this forum is a big factor in the appeal of the game. Strat has a forum as well but it actually is a pretty big negative in my opinion. Its run by a guy who really is on a power trip == like on steroids. He gets a kick out of banning people who say things he doesn't like . FULL DISCLOSURE I was banned. Why? Apparently because I said something bad about the Dallas Cowboys in a general sports discussion that he didn't like and he is a big Cowboys fan. And IIRC it was in response to a comment he made, but it was a long time ago.
The Company lets this go on because they claim no relationship with the site but that is suspect in my opinion. A lot of information is funneled to the site (or it was at the time) and I believe the guys who run the site were game testers. Bottom line if you but the game - and I like it -- you either have to put up with that aspect of the product or forego it.

11-20-2020, 08:28 AM	#1
JoeP Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1	OOTP Baseball vs. Strat-o-Matic Baseball Hi OOTP community, I've been a Strat-o-Matic player for 40+ years starting with cards and over the last 20+ years on the compute version. What I love about SOMBB is the detailed lefty/right analysis for both hitter and pitcher. You can see a players strengths and weaknesses on matchup such as a lefty hitter going up against a lefty specialist pitcher with the pitcher having the upper hand. I've played OOTP BB on my iPad before and don't see any of this breakdown. Is OOTP BB player ratings equivalent to SOMBB basic card (no lefty/righty) breakdowns? Please advise, Joe

11-20-2020, 10:34 AM	#4
La La La Linoleum Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 103	I think Questdog is referencing historical replays from earlier seasons where less data is available to work from. __________________ ~ Brendan Check out my Card Templates! Topps:1971 1972 1973

11-20-2020, 12:25 PM	#7
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,813	My first Strat-O season was playing in 1964 with the 1963-based stats. I played off-and-on through the introduction of splits well into the 1990's. However when Baseball Mogul and OOTP came out, that was it for me with Strat. Why? The false sense of accuracy from the splits, for one. Now they do represent the actual results of one season. However, they can be highly misleading. For example, the cards that most bothered me were the Champ Summers of the world, a lefty DH who had no hits on his lefty split column. Why? Because he never batted against a lefty. Now is it realistic to give him no chance? Not very. He would have SOME chance of hitting a lefty. And that's what OOTP gives him. Further, one year splits are notoriously volatile. I like to play careers (something I could never do in Strat) and thus wierd splits like that are not good. __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

11-21-2020, 01:18 PM	#11
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 535	If you are playing on the ipad you are probably playing OOTP MLB Manager and it is a stripped down version of the full game on PC. I never played that version but the full version PC version absolutely has lefty righty matchup breakdown right on the field of play. In the screenshot you can see a righty vs righty matchup with basic stats at the bottom and if I click on the batter or pitcher I can sort their ratings vs right or left and also their entire career stats vs left or right hander. Attached Images __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

11-20-2020, 08:47 AM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	All players are rated vs lefty/rughty, except some historical players where the data was not available. OOTP is better than SOM at everything except historical replay leagues.

11-20-2020, 12:44 PM	#8
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	Yes, not only are virtually all players rated against left-handed and right-handed pitchers, but OOTP also tracks all statistics, including advanced sabermetrics, and you can see left/right splits for all your simulated stats where applicable. If there are no real life split statistics for certain historical players, OOTP can automatically create reasonable split ratings for them. Incidentally, if you played the mobile app version of OOTP, that's nowhere near the experience and feature set you'll get with the desktop version. As someone who has played them all, from SOM and APBA to Statis Pro, MicroLeague and more, I can assure you that this game is the best overall baseball sim that has ever been developed. Also, if you understand the right settings to use for your historical replay preferences, you can run strict single-season replays and get realistic results, or you can experiment with endless "what if" scenarios and even allow your historical leagues to evolve and take on a life of their own. You have total control over the parameters and how things will be done, but there is a learning curve, and you can always come to these forums and especially the historical simulations sub-forum for advice.

11-21-2020, 10:07 AM	#10
crookedmacs Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 18	I have played both. My big issue is that every season in Strat is $25. Then when the new season comes out every year you have to buy the PC game all over again. And there is no good reason to. The game is the same it has been since the 90's. There will be a few subtle rule changes, but the main aspect of the entire game is unchanged. Oh, and if you want hi-res stadium pictures instead of the blurry one's the game comes with it will cost you like $35. I like C&D games, but Strat and APBA are the only one's widely enough played to have an actual business front. But they both overcharge and deny like they even have a community. No PDF's, everything costs too much. Outdated methods, Strat is printed on the worst card stock of any game I've rolled.. Maybe it's more statistically accurate. You can have it. I'll stick with OOTP. Even at full price it is the best value of anything in this hobby. Not even close. With an active community, and developers that keep up with the community.

11-21-2020, 09:37 PM	#12
sdw1000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: SC USA Posts: 930 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	You must be new here...lol

11-21-2020, 10:02 PM	#13
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,668	sadly ootp dev don't have a basketball or football sim (or even the works that i am aware).....i caved and bought the overpriced strat basketball sim that looks like it came strait out of 1991 as much as ootpb can frustrate me, it has way more potential to quickly implement upgrades and you can play any year! i couple ootpb with YT classic baseball on radio and twitter old time baseball photos to get my fill of baseball without the need to watch current baseball and love it

11-27-2020, 08:50 AM	#16
deaddogseye Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 49	Im new here so I cant really elaborate but I've played Strat for decades and I like it a lot. I like OOTP a lot as well and also view them as very different. someone mentioned this forum is a big factor in the appeal of the game. Strat has a forum as well but it actually is a pretty big negative in my opinion. Its run by a guy who really is on a power trip == like on steroids. He gets a kick out of banning people who say things he doesn't like . FULL DISCLOSURE I was banned. Why? Apparently because I said something bad about the Dallas Cowboys in a general sports discussion that he didn't like and he is a big Cowboys fan. And IIRC it was in response to a comment he made, but it was a long time ago. The Company lets this go on because they claim no relationship with the site but that is suspect in my opinion. A lot of information is funneled to the site (or it was at the time) and I believe the guys who run the site were game testers. Bottom line if you but the game - and I like it -- you either have to put up with that aspect of the product or forego it.