Rain/Temperature settings

[Yojimbo28]

I'm doing a 1930 historical replay, playing every game of Brooklyn's season. I'm in June and I've only had one weekend where there were rainouts. Not impossible obviously, but it seemed a bit low. I went and looked at the weather tab for each ballpark and was surprised by the results. Ebbets Field only has a 2% chance of rain in April and a 1% chance in May. Anyone who's lived in the Mid-Atlantic or the Northeast knows that's a bit of wishful thinking. Average temperature for July and August is set for 76! June is 69! These are all day games, of course, these guys should be roasting out there. I poked around the rest of the league and the highest I saw in either category was an average temperature of 80 in St Louis in July and a 5% chance of rain in April in Pittsburgh.

I don't remember changing anything so I think these are the default settings. Any ideas? I can change each one, but I don't want to screw anything up either. If these are historically accurate and change each year, maybe 1930 was chilly and dry. I'm just trying to get some opinions, thanks!

[joefromchicago]

That percentage chance isn't the chance of rain, it's the chance of a rainout (or, more accurately, the chance that a game will be cancelled because of weather). Secondly, the rainout percentages are based on current conditions. MLB games are rarely cancelled on account of weather these days. 1% or 2% may be a little on the low side, but cancelling 2% of a team's games during a season means 3 or 4 games, which seems about right.

If you want more rainouts, check out my "It's Usually Sunny in Philadelphia" mod, linked in my signature.

[Yojimbo28]

Thanks for the explanation! Your mod is more in-line with what I was expecting, so thanks for the link.

[jimmysthebestcop]

I actually disable rainouts. If you sim most of your games the AI can't handle doubleheaders your pitchers will all be at 0% if you get enough rainouts. Then you have to start the AAA carpool to get fresh arms. And your AAA team ends up using batters lol.

It be more useful if we would get the expanded doubleheader roster mlb mechanic. Without that I see no reason to enable them.

[joefromchicago]

I didn't address this:

Originally Posted by Yojimbo28

Anyone who's lived in the Mid-Atlantic or the Northeast knows that's a bit of wishful thinking. Average temperature for July and August is set for 76! June is 69! These are all day games, of course, these guys should be roasting out there. I poked around the rest of the league and the highest I saw in either category was an average temperature of 80 in St Louis in July and a 5% chance of rain in April in Pittsburgh.

I don't remember changing anything so I think these are the default settings. Any ideas? I can change each one, but I don't want to screw anything up either. If these are historically accurate and change each year, maybe 1930 was chilly and dry. I'm just trying to get some opinions, thanks!

The average temperatures are, I think, exactly that: averages. So the average temperature for St. Louis in July is the average of all temperatures in that city from midnight, July 1 to 11:59 p.m., July 31. Which also means that nighttime and daytime temperatures are averaged together. Not the best system, I'll admit, but it works well enough for game purposes. I really don't know if temperature has any effect on the game at all. If you wanted to tinker with the temps to make them reflect a purely daytime schedule, that can be done.

Also, the weather data isn't historically accurate. I don't know what year's stats are in the weather file, but my guess is that it was within the last twenty years.

[Mat]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

I actually disable rainouts. If you sim most of your games the AI can't handle doubleheaders your pitchers will all be at 0% if you get enough rainouts. Then you have to start the AAA carpool to get fresh arms. And your AAA team ends up using batters lol.

It be more useful if we would get the expanded doubleheader roster mlb mechanic. Without that I see no reason to enable them.

A bit off topic, but agreed.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop

I actually disable rainouts. If you sim most of your games the AI can't handle doubleheaders your pitchers will all be at 0% if you get enough rainouts. Then you have to start the AAA carpool to get fresh arms. And your AAA team ends up using batters lol.

It be more useful if we would get the expanded doubleheader roster mlb mechanic. Without that I see no reason to enable them.

That's fine if you're playing the modern game, when double-headers are extremely rare, but you probably wouldn't worry about those things so much in an era where the pitchers had higher staminas. The 1931 Braves, for instance, played 37 double-headers during the season. They played 12 twin-bills in August alone, including a stretch where they played five double-headers in a row (not on consecutive days). That's just the way things were in the good old days, and if you want to recreate that then you wouldn't want to disable rainouts.

[WestCoastGuy]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo28

I'm doing a 1930 historical replay, playing every game of Brooklyn's season. I'm in June and I've only had one weekend where there were rainouts. Not impossible obviously, but it seemed a bit low. I went and looked at the weather tab for each ballpark and was surprised by the results. Ebbets Field only has a 2% chance of rain in April and a 1% chance in May. Anyone who's lived in the Mid-Atlantic or the Northeast knows that's a bit of wishful thinking. Average temperature for July and August is set for 76! June is 69! These are all day games, of course, these guys should be roasting out there. I poked around the rest of the league and the highest I saw in either category was an average temperature of 80 in St Louis in July and a 5% chance of rain in April in Pittsburgh.

I don't remember changing anything so I think these are the default settings. Any ideas? I can change each one, but I don't want to screw anything up either. If these are historically accurate and change each year, maybe 1930 was chilly and dry. I'm just trying to get some opinions, thanks!

I just discovered that, apparently, the climate for Madrid, Spain, is being used for Brooklyn, and if you compare Brooklyn's rain percentages with the Yankees and Giants, you'll notice that they're significantly different despite being literally in the same city.

I also posted this in the "typos" part of the bugs forum.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...&postcount=165

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by WestCoastGuy

I just discovered that, apparently, the climate for Madrid, Spain, is being used for Brooklyn, and if you compare Brooklyn's rain percentages with the Yankees and Giants, you'll notice that they're significantly different despite being literally in the same city.

I also posted this in the "typos" part of the bugs forum.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...&postcount=165

That's because Brooklyn isn't listed in the weather.txt file in the database folder, so it takes the data from the last city listed, which is Madrid. It's always been that way sadly. I just neutralize the weather for every city, which probably isn't to everyone's taste, but that's what I do.

[WestCoastGuy]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

That's because Brooklyn isn't listed in the weather.txt file in the database folder, so it takes the data from the last city listed, which is Madrid. It's always been that way sadly. I just neutralize the weather for every city, which probably isn't to everyone's taste, but that's what I do.

It's always been that way??? Why don't the developers just add Brooklyn to the weather.txt file?

I know that I can do that myself, but a) I shouldn't need to and b) I also now wonder what other cities have Madrid's weather too.

[Timofmars]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

I really don't know if temperature has any effect on the game at all.

From the manual:

Each game played outdoors has weather, which can affect player performance and also the risk of injury. Some of the effects of weather include:

Players may tire more quickly on extremely hot days
Players may take a long time to get warmed up on cold days
Pitchers may take more pitches to warm up on cold days
Players are slightly more likely to suffer injuries in cold or rainy days
Pitcher stamina is less when the weather is poor