Bieber

dboeyr12007 · 07-30-2020, 09:50 PM

How many people have gone out and snatched up a Bieber in the last week?

Finally people outside of Cleveland get to see what this guy can really do. Just completely destroyed a top 3 line up tonight.

mcdog512 · 07-30-2020, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dboeyr12007

How many people have gone out and snatched up a Bieber in the last week?

Finally people outside of Cleveland get to see what this guy can really do. Just completely destroyed a top 3 line up tonight.

All teams have an off day.

dboeyr12007 · 07-30-2020, 10:05 PM

I respect that Twins line up which is what makes it even more impressive. Bieber has the stuff to be one of the top pitchers behind Cole, Degrom,and Scherzer.

mcdog512 · 07-31-2020, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dboeyr12007

I respect that Twins line up which is what makes it even more impressive. Bieber has the stuff to be one of the top pitchers behind Cole, Degrom,and Scherzer.

He threw a nice game for sure.

chazzycat · 07-31-2020, 10:47 AM

He's absolutely pitching great, but with his rating at 92 already, he's not a great live speculation candidate IMO.

dboeyr12007 · 08-02-2020, 04:23 AM

True. I was hoping he got to perfect eventually

mcdog512 · 08-02-2020, 02:24 PM

How about Maeda?

Had to throw that out there. Sure is strange watching games in empty stadiums.

Ben Music · 08-02-2020, 03:27 PM

Be nice if he got a bump, I'm sitting on 3 Biebers.

Matt Arnold · 08-02-2020, 04:18 PM

Bieber has a negative FIP through his first 2 games. If he keeps pitching like this, then at some point his card would become a perfect. He starts at a 92, though, so hard to say how many starts it will take to get to that point.

Ben Music · 08-09-2020, 10:59 AM

Update - now sitting on 4 Biebers

hibees70 · 08-09-2020, 12:04 PM

And he'll be like every other live perfect.Hopeless.

Ben Music · 08-09-2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hibees70

And he'll be like every other live perfect.Hopeless.

True, but then I'll be able to sell them for 20k, instead of 4k.

hibees70 · 08-09-2020, 03:02 PM

The capitalist vs the idealist

daves · 08-09-2020, 06:14 PM

Cost up to 12,000. Do you think he will make Perfect?

Marleigh · 08-10-2020, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Music

True, but then I'll be able to sell them for 20k, instead of 4k.

**discard

2tango2 · 08-10-2020, 07:56 AM

Well no one saw that coming

2tango2 · 08-10-2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by daves

Cost up to 12,000. Do you think he will make Perfect?

Daves Same league this week...Good Luck!

Ben Music · 08-10-2020, 08:24 AM

-1

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

DotDash · 08-10-2020, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 2tango2

Well no one saw that coming

I haven't been 'hoarding' Biebers like some players, but this update seems plain wrong to me.

Just looking at the stat lines of Bieber (first attached image; docked a point from 92 to 91) and Giolito (second attached image; bumped up two points from 94 to 96), and I have to wonder how:

- the way Bieber has pitched could ever lead to a decreased rating
- Bieber's performance can be judged as relatively worse than Giolito's (decrease vs. increase) especially keeping in mind that Giolito was already rated higher and thus should be held to a slightly higher standard

It also looks like J.T. Realmuto is not getting the bump to Perfect despite outperforming his ZIPS projection (.276 .333 .490 / .823 OPS) by a sizable margin so far: .290 .353 .677 / 1.030 OPS. This while already being the consensus best player at his position for some time now...
In fact, it looks like he may have lost one or more points of CON (I don't have a screenshot of his 'before' ratings so I may be mistaken here.)

tbonetim · 08-10-2020, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DotDash

I haven't been 'hoarding' Biebers like some players, but this update seems plain wrong to me.

Just looking at the stat lines of Bieber (first attached image; docked a point from 92 to 91) and Giolito (second attached image; bumped up two points from 94 to 96), and I have to wonder how:

- the way Bieber has pitched could ever lead to a decreased rating
- Bieber's performance can be judged as relatively worse than Giolito's (decrease vs. increase) especially keeping in mind that Giolito was already rated higher and thus should be held to a slightly higher standard

It also looks like J.T. Realmuto is not getting the bump to Perfect despite outperforming his ZIPS projection (.276 .333 .490 / .823 OPS) by a sizable margin so far: .290 .353 .677 / 1.030 OPS. This while already being the consensus best player at his position for some time now...
In fact, it looks like he may have lost one or more points of CON (I don't have a screenshot of his 'before' ratings so I may be mistaken here.)

Agree, most ratings adjustments were fine but several really stuck out as being based solely on projections rather than actual performance. I mentioned Gausman in another post getting boosted all the way to Diamond. Sure I guess maybe a small bump up into the higher 80s based on starts at pitcher friendly parks but still way more. I only have one Bieber and wasn't expecting a bump to Perfect by any means but not sure how you downgrade a so far dominate SP and upgrade a mediocre one with a bad track record.

07-30-2020, 09:50 PM	#1
dboeyr12007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 268	Bieber How many people have gone out and snatched up a Bieber in the last week? Finally people outside of Cleveland get to see what this guy can really do. Just completely destroyed a top 3 line up tonight.

08-02-2020, 04:23 AM	#6
dboeyr12007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 268	True. I was hoping he got to perfect eventually __________________

08-02-2020, 02:24 PM	#7
mcdog512 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Pack Robert Gibson; November 9, 1935 – October 2, 2020 Posts: 2,339	How about Maeda? Had to throw that out there. Sure is strange watching games in empty stadiums. __________________

08-02-2020, 03:27 PM	#8
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Be nice if he got a bump, I'm sitting on 3 Biebers. __________________

08-09-2020, 10:59 AM	#10
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Update - now sitting on 4 Biebers __________________

07-30-2020, 10:05 PM	#3
dboeyr12007 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 268	I respect that Twins line up which is what makes it even more impressive. Bieber has the stuff to be one of the top pitchers behind Cole, Degrom,and Scherzer.

07-31-2020, 10:47 AM	#5
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	He's absolutely pitching great, but with his rating at 92 already, he's not a great live speculation candidate IMO.

08-02-2020, 04:18 PM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,719	Bieber has a negative FIP through his first 2 games. If he keeps pitching like this, then at some point his card would become a perfect. He starts at a 92, though, so hard to say how many starts it will take to get to that point.

08-09-2020, 12:04 PM	#11
hibees70 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Edinburgh,Scotland Posts: 70	And he'll be like every other live perfect.Hopeless.

08-09-2020, 03:02 PM	#13
hibees70 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Edinburgh,Scotland Posts: 70	The capitalist vs the idealist

08-09-2020, 06:14 PM	#14
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,832	Cost up to 12,000. Do you think he will make Perfect? __________________

08-10-2020, 07:56 AM	#16
2tango2 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: AZ Posts: 265	Well no one saw that coming __________________ PT21 PT22

08-10-2020, 08:24 AM	#18
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	-1 Hahahahahahahahahahaha! __________________