Guarding the lines... why bother?

bigphesta · 04-11-2003, 04:27 AM

Vlad Gurrero has killed me for triples so I put my best fielding 1Bman in the game and have him guard lines... two times Vlad has still hit one "over first, and 1bman can't get to it" then gets a triple. What's the point of guarding lines? This is EXACTLY what I want to take away!

sporr · 04-11-2003, 11:56 AM

Just curious, are these grounders he's hitting down the 1b line or liners actually over 1b?

A.J. Holz · 04-11-2003, 12:10 PM

I've noticed stuff like this, where the PBP doesn't exactly jive with the game situation. I'll pull my outfield in, just to have a flare drop in front of the CF with A range to score a run.

dbacks · 04-11-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by bigphesta
hit one "over first"

If it's over first, he CAN'T get it. Like sporr asked, is it really "over first," or is it a "hot grounder down the line?" If it's the latter, then you're right, there's no point, but if it's OVER first, it doesn't matter where you have your first baseman positioned.

spleen1015 · 04-11-2003, 01:22 PM

Does 'over first' mean over the player or over the first base bag?

I have always thought it meant over the bag.

wireman · 04-11-2003, 02:02 PM

I think PBP is "for entertainment purposes only."

dbacks · 04-11-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
Does 'over first' mean over the player or over the first base bag?

I have always thought it meant over the bag.

Good question, Spleen. Personally, I am the opposite, that it means over the first baseman. But if it's high enough, it shouldn't matter, he's not gonna get it, whether it's over him or the bag. Still a good question, though.

JML · 04-11-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by wireman
I think PBP is "for entertainment purposes only."

I agree. This is like the ever-present DP chance, which leads people to believe that their SS and 2B are on drugs, when in fact the team DP totals are fine. I don't think the pbp changes at all due to defensive strategy, but I'm sure gaurding lines affects the outcome of the play... why would Markus bother if it didn't?

spleen1015 · 04-11-2003, 02:07 PM

I've always imagined it being a ground ball that goes over the bag.

I'm sure the rest if you guys have the play playing out in your head when you read the pbp, right?

dbacks · 04-11-2003, 02:08 PM

I really don't play out games very often. I'm more of the simming/GM type, rather than a true manager who plays out every game. And for that reason, I really don't care about small bugs in PbP.

JML · 04-11-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015

I'm sure the rest if you guys have the play playing out in your head when you read the pbp, right?

I do. That's what makes playing out every game of a season fun for me. I would like to see a more representative pbp in the future. But I can live with it as is as long as stat totals are believable (which they are in my experience).

LivnLegend · 04-11-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by wireman
I think PBP is "for entertainment purposes only."

"Winfield goes back to the wall. He hits his head on the wall -- and it rolls off! It's rolling all the way back to second base! This is a terrible thing for the Padres."

wireman · 04-11-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by LivinLegend
"Winfield goes back to the wall. He hits his head on the wall -- and it rolls off! It's rolling all the way back to second base! This is a terrible thing for the Padres."

My a$$ has been laughed completely off.

sporr · 04-11-2003, 02:28 PM

lmao...I forgot all about that one! I always viewed balls hit "over first" as line shots over the firstbaseman's head.

GForce22 · 04-11-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
"Winfield goes back to the wall. He hits his head on the wall -- and it rolls off! It's rolling all the way back to second base! This is a terrible thing for the Padres."

The legendary Jerry Coleman...

"Hard shot to LeMaster, and he throws Madlock into the dugout"

GH

JML · 04-11-2003, 02:38 PM

"(Someone) is throwing up in the bullpen."

GForce22 · 04-11-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by JML
"(Someone) is throwing up in the bullpen."

LOL!!! I believe that was Rich Folkers.

"(PLAYER) pulls in at second with a stand-up double. He slid, but he didn't have to"

GH

A.J. Holz · 04-11-2003, 03:26 PM

"The first pitch to Tucker Ashford is grounded into left field. No, wait a minute. It's ball one. Low and outside."

- Jerry Coleman

LivnLegend · 04-11-2003, 03:31 PM

Whether it's sliding into second with a "stand up double" or a "right-handed southpaw" you could go on and on all day with Coleman!

"There's a long fly left centerfield, he got all of that one, it's to the wall, at the wall, and that ball is caught, no I mean he dropped it, wait a minute he caught it! That was the best play Greg Vaughn made of his life!"

GForce22 · 04-11-2003, 03:35 PM

LOL!!! They should've let him and Kiner do a game together. Would be funny as hell but you wouldn't know what was going on.

GH

04-11-2003, 04:27 AM	#1
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	Guarding the lines... why bother? Vlad Gurrero has killed me for triples so I put my best fielding 1Bman in the game and have him guard lines... two times Vlad has still hit one "over first, and 1bman can't get to it" then gets a triple. What's the point of guarding lines? This is EXACTLY what I want to take away!

04-11-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	I've noticed stuff like this, where the PBP doesn't exactly jive with the game situation. I'll pull my outfield in, just to have a flare drop in front of the CF with A range to score a run. __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

04-11-2003, 02:02 PM	#6
wireman All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harrisonburg VA Posts: 765	I think PBP is "for entertainment purposes only." __________________ "Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't."

04-11-2003, 03:26 PM	#18
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	"The first pitch to Tucker Ashford is grounded into left field. No, wait a minute. It's ball one. Low and outside." - Jerry Coleman __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

04-11-2003, 03:31 PM	#19
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Whether it's sliding into second with a "stand up double" or a "right-handed southpaw" you could go on and on all day with Coleman! "There's a long fly left centerfield, he got all of that one, it's to the wall, at the wall, and that ball is caught, no I mean he dropped it, wait a minute he caught it! That was the best play Greg Vaughn made of his life!" __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

04-11-2003, 11:56 AM	#2
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Just curious, are these grounders he's hitting down the 1b line or liners actually over 1b?

04-11-2003, 01:22 PM	#5
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,004	Does 'over first' mean over the player or over the first base bag? I have always thought it meant over the bag.

04-11-2003, 02:07 PM	#9
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,004	I've always imagined it being a ground ball that goes over the bag. I'm sure the rest if you guys have the play playing out in your head when you read the pbp, right?

04-11-2003, 02:08 PM	#10
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735	I really don't play out games very often. I'm more of the simming/GM type, rather than a true manager who plays out every game. And for that reason, I really don't care about small bugs in PbP.

04-11-2003, 02:28 PM	#14
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	lmao...I forgot all about that one! I always viewed balls hit "over first" as line shots over the firstbaseman's head.

04-11-2003, 02:38 PM	#16
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	"(Someone) is throwing up in the bullpen."

04-11-2003, 03:35 PM	#20
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	LOL!!! They should've let him and Kiner do a game together. Would be funny as hell but you wouldn't know what was going on. GH