Position ratings

[Jeff1787]

I think this might be a "dumb" question, but here it is. If a guy is rated 50 at shortstop on his card then is he stuck at 50 forever?

Or if he has a secondary position, say 2B, and is rated 30, is he stuck on 30?

[Charlatan]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I think this might be a "dumb" question, but here it is. If a guy is rated 50 at shortstop on his card then is he stuck at 50 forever?

Or if he has a secondary position, say 2B, and is rated 30, is he stuck on 30?

A user's primary position is (almost always?) maxed out. Other positions can develop and evolve. There is a spreadsheet that someone will come by to link eventually that lets you plug in the arm/range/tdp etc numbers and that will predict a player's eventual ratings (within a point or two).

Here's a link to the calculator: you have to save a copy so you can edit the cells.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...2&postcount=11

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Charlatan

A user's primary position is (almost always?) maxed out. Other positions can develop and evolve. There is a spreadsheet that someone will come by to link eventually that lets you plug in the arm/range/tdp etc numbers and that will predict a player's eventual ratings (within a point or two).

Here's a link to the calculator: you have to save a copy so you can edit the cells.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...2&postcount=11

OK, so only the primary position is locked...thanks

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

OK, so only the primary position is locked...thanks

No position is locked, per se. Most players have their primary position maxed out, but a select few can still raise their ratings. Some players have secondary positions maxed, some have room for growth, and some have multiple secondary positions with a mix of both.

What it all boils down to is that the fielding ratings determine a player's max possible positional rating, and every positional rating requires a certain amount of experience (+/- 200 games, as a very rough wag) to reach that max. The amount of experience at any position can and will vary from card to card.

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

No position is locked, per se. Most players have their primary position maxed out, but a select few can still raise their ratings. Some players have secondary positions maxed, some have room for growth, and some have multiple secondary positions with a mix of both.

What it all boils down to is that the fielding ratings determine a player's max possible positional rating, and every positional rating requires a certain amount of experience (+/- 200 games, as a very rough wag) to reach that max. The amount of experience at any position can and will vary from card to card.

You say on one hand that a select few can raise their ratings, but then you say fielding ratings determine a player's max possible rating!

I'm not saying you are incorrect, but it sounds like the ratings are a "crap shoot."

And that stinks!

The developers need to clarify this and simplify it.

[atabakin]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

You say on one hand that a select few can raise their ratings, but then you say fielding ratings determine a player's max possible rating!

I'm not saying you are incorrect, but it sounds like the ratings are a "crap shoot."

And that stinks!

The developers need to clarify this and simplify it.

The underlying ratings (arm, error, range) are set and won't change. The position ratings can be trained with experience.

[neugey]

Myself, I have not yet seen the need to train anyone to fit my team. I just use super-utility man Marwin Gonzalez to give my starters occasional day off. It seems like it would take forever to make your own super utility man.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by neugey

Myself, I have not yet seen the need to train anyone to fit my team. I just use super-utility man Marwin Gonzalez to give my starters occasional day off. It seems like it would take forever to make your own super utility man.

A Simmons can become super man in one week.

[Jeff1787]

So my question is still unanswered or there is no answer!

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

So my question is still unanswered or there is no answer!

I think there is an answer. I could be mistaken but with OOTP 20 PT if a player is rated at a position it isn't going to change. The players can train and and learn other positions not listed and their ceiling will be based on their raw defensive abilities in that category. Category being infield,outfield, catcher. Hopefully one of the developers will chime in but I believe that how it works in 20.

[Jeff1787]

So here are the ratings for SS Cecil Travis, 1941 Historical All-Star:



Is his SS rating set in stone and can his 3B rating increase?

I know he can be trained at 1B and 2B.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

So here are the ratings for SS Cecil Travis, 1941 Historical All-Star:

Attachment 616271

Is his SS rating set in stone and can his 3B rating increase?

I know he can be trained at 1B and 2B.

I think he's locked at 3b and SS and could be trained at 2b and 1b as you say.

[Dogberry99]

His SS rating appears to have been maxed. He requires no more training at this position and has reached the max possible positional rating that his fielding ratings allow him to achieve.

However, with more training, his positional rating at 3B should increase from 61 to approximately 71. He is not limited to the 61 he starts with.

Additionally, he will likely make it to 82 at 2B when he maxes out training at that position, and if the game uses the height listed on his Baseball Reference page (6 ft 1 in), then he should be able to train to about 89 at 1B.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

His SS rating appears to have been maxed. He requires no more training at this position and has reached the max possible positional rating that his fielding ratings allow him to achieve.

However, with more training, his positional rating at 3B should increase from 61 to approximately 71. He is not limited to the 61 he starts with.

Additionally, he will likely make it to 82 at 2B when he maxes out training at that position, and if the game uses the height listed on his Baseball Reference page (6 ft 1 in), then he should be able to train to about 89 at 1B.

Are you sure? I thought I read that secondary positions would also be locked in PT 20 - a change from 19.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by mcdog512

Are you sure? I thought I read that secondary positions would also be locked in PT 20 - a change from 19.

My Alan Wiggins started with a rating of 50 in RF. He is now over 60. If this was supposed to be locked, then it is a significant bug that I am willing to exploit.

[mcdog512]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

My Alan Wiggins started with a rating of 50 in RF. He is now over 60. If this was supposed to be locked, then it is a significant bug that I am willing to exploit.

Ok, cool - very good to know.

[Docta_House]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

So here are the ratings for SS Cecil Travis, 1941 Historical All-Star:

Attachment 616271

Is his SS rating set in stone and can his 3B rating increase?

I know he can be trained at 1B and 2B.

So the answer you seek is yes and yes. I don't know his Height stat in the game so I cannot input that for you into the calculator. But he can be trained at 3B, 1B, and 2B. His SS is maxed.

When they input default starting position values the max is 200 starting experience or 100% of their max. Cecil starts 100% maxed at SS and 170/200 (85%) at 3B. His default rating is that 61 rating you posted at 3B. His max 3B is really 72. Shown below.

Although he is a SS by default, he is actually a better 2B defensively or even 3B. The 1B rating is not accurate as their defense rating is primarily affected by Height which I don't have portrayed accurately (idk his 1B rating as a result). SS is heavy on IF range compared to other positions (which is why he makes a better 2B).

In short, he maxes at 83 for a 2B but will take some time to train there, which is done by just playing him. 3B is also better suited than SS for him. I need his height for 1B rating to be correct. When picking defensive IFs I focus on IF range ratings for both SS and 2B. 2B rating is majorly dictated by IF error but IF range also plays a heavy role. Turn DP is good for these positions too. 1B is primarily based on Height, and 3B is based on IF Arm. All raw fielding stats matter in the end for each position but they are weighted differently as expected.

I hope that kind of clears it up for ya. They are nice tools to have when deciding who to train where and how long it may take.