All Pitchers Scouted as RP?

Cnasty · 01-03-2019, 11:23 AM

We have an online league that has been active for over 50 fictional seasons but in OOTP19 we are having some major scouting problems.

All college prospects eligible for the draft are being scouted as RP on the scouting page. On the profile page their position is listed as SP as well.

Then when drafted, as prospects in the league after multiple scouting reports and setting their positions to SP, they are continually being scouted as RP and never as a SP.

Has anyone seen this bug and what's the fix? It is absolutely ruining scouting, drafting, and trading in our league.

Any help or input would be appreciated. (I didn't know if this should go in the technical forum so I put it here.)

Drstrangelove · 01-03-2019, 11:35 AM

This seems to be a recurring complaint. I have a league that's simmed out 21 years and most of the pitchers in my draft are listed as starters, whether college or HS. Among just college pitchers, 184 out of 255 are listed as starters. However, if you are looking at current and not future, then most will say RP because most pitchers, even in college, won't have a capable third pitch. A pitcher with 2 decent pitches and a third pitch (let's say a 3/63 changeup), will be treated as having just 2 pitches and will be scouted current as a reliever. They have to be developed into starters. When they get a capable third pitch (and assuming stamina), they will be scouted as an SP.

While I don't consider that a bug, in theory, you can accelerate pitcher development rate up from 1.00 (default) to 2.00 and that might improve the experience, since pitchers should develop their 3rd and 4th pitches faster. Long term, this might impact small market teams versus large market teams in unpredictable ways. E.g., pitchers that might have re-signed (or signed extensions), might seek free agency earlier, arbitration increases will be larger, poor teams might keep better players in the minors longer, or trade them away earlier, etc. Or small market teams might develop quickly and win titles right before losing their stars. No idea what the LT effect is.

Cnasty · 01-03-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Drstrangelove

This seems to be a recurring complaint. I have a league that's simmed out 21 years and most of the pitchers in my draft are listed as starters, whether college or HS. Among just college pitchers, 184 out of 255 are listed as starters. However, if you are looking at current and not future, then most will say RP because most pitchers, even in college, won't have a capable third pitch. A pitcher with 2 decent pitches and a third pitch (let's say a 3/63 changeup), will be treated as having just 2 pitches and will be scouted current as a reliever. They have to be developed into starters. When they get a capable third pitch (and assuming stamina), they will be scouted as an SP.

I understand that perspective but that is to what is happening. These are bonafides, true SP with 3+ pitches and even guys in their 23-25 range in AAA ready for the big league are STILL being scouted as a RP. I have been playing OOTP for many versions and the scouting for SP has seemed to be done well but now they are scouting them ALL as RP and its completely screwing up a lot of the evaluation of players.

Why is this and what prompted it? Also, the variance from the main player profile page compared to the scouting page on players is an absolute mess as well. Why is there such a large variance between those 2 pages as well? which is the source of truth?

Matt Arnold · 01-03-2019, 12:20 PM

If you run a full recalc and rescouting, does that fix things? Usually this happens if some internal values get out of balance.

If not, please upload the files (http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...p-developments) (or with an online league you can just send me a link to download the files), and we can look into it. I know a few people have seen this happen to them, so would be great if we can finally track down and fix this.

Cnasty · 01-03-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you run a full recalc and rescouting, does that fix things? Usually this happens if some internal values get out of balance.

If not, please upload the files (http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...p-developments) (or with an online league you can just send me a link to download the files), and we can look into it. I know a few people have seen this happen to them, so would be great if we can finally track down and fix this.

How do you run a full recalc and rescout?

I would gladly send you our file as well to review if that would help. Thanks so much!

Cnasty · 01-03-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you run a full recalc and rescouting, does that fix things? Usually this happens if some internal values get out of balance.

If not, please upload the files (http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...p-developments) (or with an online league you can just send me a link to download the files), and we can look into it. I know a few people have seen this happen to them, so would be great if we can finally track down and fix this.

PM also sent as requested, thanks Matt.

geoffmatt17 · 01-08-2019, 02:26 PM

I'm seeing this all over the place.

Sweed · 01-09-2019, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If you run a full recalc and rescouting, does that fix things? Usually this happens if some internal values get out of balance.

If not, please upload the files (http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...p-developments) (or with an online league you can just send me a link to download the files), and we can look into it. I know a few people have seen this happen to them, so would be great if we can finally track down and fix this.

I know how to run a rescout but have no idea what you mean by a "full recalc". Could you please elaborate?

Also adding to the discussion what I am seeing in my game...
Thanks.

This has just started to happen in my long running league that was started in v4 (2002) and imported into every new version since up to v19. I play out all of my games and am in my second season with v19, the issue was not present in my first season. I'm just finishing May in my game and can't say exactly when the issue came up. During ST, opening day, or perhaps at my bi-monthly scouting updates? I don't know, all I can say is when my scout just discovered a SP and I read his scouting report it was as a RP. I then started looking around the league and found others with the same issue but.... there still are plenty of SP still scouted as SP.

Cnasty · 01-14-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

I know how to run a rescout but have no idea what you mean by a "full recalc". Could you please elaborate?

Also adding to the discussion what I am seeing in my game...
Thanks.

This has just started to happen in my long running league that was started in v4 (2002) and imported into every new version since up to v19. I play out all of my games and am in my second season with v19, the issue was not present in my first season. I'm just finishing May in my game and can't say exactly when the issue came up. During ST, opening day, or perhaps at my bi-monthly scouting updates? I don't know, all I can say is when my scout just discovered a SP and I read his scouting report it was as a RP. I then started looking around the league and found others with the same issue but.... there still are plenty of SP still scouted as SP.

From what was mentioned is that they will continue to be scouted as a RP until their 3rd pitch theoretically hits some kind of threshold which then in turn makes the next scouting report a SP report vs a RP one.

I do not necessarily agree with the functionality but it makes more sense in explanation.

Sweed · 01-14-2019, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cnasty

From what was mentioned is that they will continue to be scouted as a RP until their 3rd pitch theoretically hits some kind of threshold which then in turn makes the next scouting report a SP report vs a RP one.

I do not necessarily agree with the functionality but it makes more sense in explanation.

Thanks. Where did you see this mentioned? Is it a user's best guess or a developer? I'll submit some screenshots that show it to not be true.

Cook has mostly been a RP coming up but has the tools to start and is currently in my MLB rotation to cover injury.

Mendoza, mostly used as a starter coming up, with borderline talent also being used in MLB rotation due to injury. No reason he should be scouted as a RP.

Pantelio and Chenowith are both good young prospects moving through the minors. Both have at least 3 MLB level pitches but are still developing control, stuff, movement. No reason I can see these guys should not be getting blurbs that say "should fill out a rotation in the 3 to 5 spots" or similar.

Still unsure how to follow Matt's instructions and run a "full recalc". What I did do is request a new scouting report for each of these guys. Have to play through a couple of game days and report back if it makes any difference.

Ok won't let me post all screen shots in this post.. The rest will be in the next post.

Sweed · 01-14-2019, 03:59 PM

And now for Chenowith and Pantelio

Sweed · 01-14-2019, 06:54 PM

Got my first requested scouting report. Chenowith's report came back as a relief pitcher.

Pantelio also came back as a relief pitcher.

01-03-2019, 11:23 AM	#1
Cnasty Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 8	All Pitchers Scouted as RP? We have an online league that has been active for over 50 fictional seasons but in OOTP19 we are having some major scouting problems. All college prospects eligible for the draft are being scouted as RP on the scouting page. On the profile page their position is listed as SP as well. Then when drafted, as prospects in the league after multiple scouting reports and setting their positions to SP, they are continually being scouted as RP and never as a SP. Has anyone seen this bug and what's the fix? It is absolutely ruining scouting, drafting, and trading in our league. Any help or input would be appreciated. (I didn't know if this should go in the technical forum so I put it here.)

01-03-2019, 11:35 AM	#2
Drstrangelove Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 346	This seems to be a recurring complaint. I have a league that's simmed out 21 years and most of the pitchers in my draft are listed as starters, whether college or HS. Among just college pitchers, 184 out of 255 are listed as starters. However, if you are looking at current and not future, then most will say RP because most pitchers, even in college, won't have a capable third pitch. A pitcher with 2 decent pitches and a third pitch (let's say a 3/63 changeup), will be treated as having just 2 pitches and will be scouted current as a reliever. They have to be developed into starters. When they get a capable third pitch (and assuming stamina), they will be scouted as an SP. While I don't consider that a bug, in theory, you can accelerate pitcher development rate up from 1.00 (default) to 2.00 and that might improve the experience, since pitchers should develop their 3rd and 4th pitches faster. Long term, this might impact small market teams versus large market teams in unpredictable ways. E.g., pitchers that might have re-signed (or signed extensions), might seek free agency earlier, arbitration increases will be larger, poor teams might keep better players in the minors longer, or trade them away earlier, etc. Or small market teams might develop quickly and win titles right before losing their stars. No idea what the LT effect is. Last edited by Drstrangelove; 01-03-2019 at 12:37 PM.

01-08-2019, 02:26 PM	#7
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	I'm seeing this all over the place. __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

01-14-2019, 03:59 PM	#11
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,744	And now for Chenowith and Pantelio Attached Images

01-14-2019, 06:54 PM	#12
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,744	Got my first requested scouting report. Chenowith's report came back as a relief pitcher. Pantelio also came back as a relief pitcher. Last edited by Sweed; 01-15-2019 at 02:25 AM.

01-03-2019, 12:20 PM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,871	If you run a full recalc and rescouting, does that fix things? Usually this happens if some internal values get out of balance. If not, please upload the files (http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...p-developments) (or with an online league you can just send me a link to download the files), and we can look into it. I know a few people have seen this happen to them, so would be great if we can finally track down and fix this.