"Adv. Setup - League Totals" Question

Heisman7 · 03-12-2003, 09:20 PM

I've looked in the manual and not found any info regarding this.
I am wanting to have my standard league game continue year after year with accurate statistics. Exactly what do each of these options (recalculate totals, recalculate for historical accuracy) do? Should I do this after every year so stats don't spiral out of control or should I not use any of it. I am not quite sure what they do so any help would be appreciated.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-12-2003, 09:23 PM

Is it a fictional league? If so, I have simmed 50+ years into the future several times during testing and found the stats to be quite good. Other testers have gone even farther with the same type results. Couldn't hurt to check them every now and then however as no game is w/o flaw and a tweak of the totals once in awhile should keep you on track.

Shorty · 03-12-2003, 09:24 PM

Basically Heisman, as long as you are happy with the results, leave them be.

Heisman7 · 03-12-2003, 09:28 PM

No, it is not a fictional league but eventually all the real players will be gone and it will become essentially fictional. I suppose you've answered my question but if I were to recalculate totals what would it do?

Thanks for the quick responses.

Vida Blue · 03-12-2003, 11:14 PM

Ah, the question that nobody can answer.

MannyTrillo · 03-13-2003, 02:26 AM

"If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound?"

"What is the meaning of life?"

"How do the league totals work?"

Ah, the mysteries of life...

The league totals settings are something you pretty much have to mess around and experiment with. Lowering the number of something will increase its frequency in your league, but there aren't really any precise settings you can use to get the numbers you want.

hamonrye · 03-13-2003, 04:16 AM

without a doubt, the league totals setting is one of the great mysteries of life. i played ootp3 for a while without any system, finally i broke down and did the math and it worked a lot better. i basically took the league totals from baseballreference.com for a particular year, rounded the figures to 100,000 at bats, totaled the league at the end of the season and rounded that to 100,000 as well. if i was 200 doubles short, i lowered the doubles total 200, 400 homers too many, i added 400 homers, etc. it usually takes 2 seasons to be accurate so i would always start a historical sim 2 seasons before i actually wanted to start keeping track. after the 2 seasons are over, i'm almost always within 2 percent of where i want to be, which is good enough for me. if the league hit .262 in 1949, i want my league to hit .262 in 1949 or at least within a point or two either way.

i'm always shocked that this isn't an issue for more new players. i think most of the old school people here have discussed it 1,000 times, but for me it is one of the biggest issues. after all this is a simulation game. if i'm not actually simulating, then what am i doing?

WarFisch · 03-13-2003, 05:41 AM

>>if i'm not actually simulating, then what am i doing?<<

Boy, a thousand responses came to my mind, but I couldn't pick one.

I'll just assume it was a rhetorical question.

hamonrye · 03-13-2003, 06:05 AM

a thousand responses? you're pretty quick...

WarFisch · 03-14-2003, 09:42 PM

ok, slight exageration, but there were more than two.

woody5254 · 03-15-2003, 06:58 AM

The key to the league totals, is simming the first season over and over until you have what you are looking for. Then you just shift those settings a little here and there after each season. One you get your initial settings,you won't have to make wholesale changes from year to year very often if at all. You just have to keep an eye on things and don't let a stat get out of hand.

hamonrye · 03-15-2003, 04:47 PM

woody-that sounds like it could be a better idea then mine. it's definitely less work, which is nice. i haven't seen if the ratings of historical players themselves will take care of the fluctuations in the real-life history of the league totals when it comes to average, home runs, doubles, etc....i might have to try it out.

baseballbob · 03-16-2003, 10:34 PM

Anybody ever try adjusting the raw import data for park effect and season normalization before import? And then setting the league totals to be as the league was that year?

I'm currently following that path to see what kind of results I will get and whether it gives any quicker convergence to the result.

The trick is to compile the L/R split data and to deduce actual L/R splits of park factors for the year in question.
Which, until I find a way to speed things up in this process, is going to take me a while. LOL

ctorg · 03-17-2003, 12:24 PM

I've found that the "recalculate for historical" function works really well, better than I expected. A cool addition.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-17-2003, 12:28 PM

The recalculate for historical accuracy does work fairly well. You have to keep an eye on things because sometimes something will start getting a little whacky due to players developing.

woody5254 · 03-19-2003, 11:25 AM

The recalculate hasn't worked that well for me for some reason. I have started a few historical sims where I have simmed a season out and had the #s about where I wanted them, and then the following season after recalculating the numbers change dramatically against the flow of history sometimes. I have had had this happen a lot for BA and for Ks. I had my BA at ~.250 and the next season it was ~.290. This was around the 1910 season. I don't what exactly happened, but it wasn't good

Needless to say, currently I am calculating my own settings for each year.

ctorg · 03-19-2003, 11:41 AM

You know, I just ran into that same issue. My league is in 1910 now and the numbers were way, way off for home runs.

03-12-2003, 09:20 PM	#1
Heisman7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 29	"Adv. Setup - League Totals" Question I've looked in the manual and not found any info regarding this. I am wanting to have my standard league game continue year after year with accurate statistics. Exactly what do each of these options (recalculate totals, recalculate for historical accuracy) do? Should I do this after every year so stats don't spiral out of control or should I not use any of it. I am not quite sure what they do so any help would be appreciated.

03-12-2003, 09:23 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Is it a fictional league? If so, I have simmed 50+ years into the future several times during testing and found the stats to be quite good. Other testers have gone even farther with the same type results. Couldn't hurt to check them every now and then however as no game is w/o flaw and a tweak of the totals once in awhile should keep you on track. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-12-2003, 09:24 PM	#3
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	Basically Heisman, as long as you are happy with the results, leave them be. __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

03-12-2003, 09:28 PM	#4
Heisman7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 29	re: league totals No, it is not a fictional league but eventually all the real players will be gone and it will become essentially fictional. I suppose you've answered my question but if I were to recalculate totals what would it do? Thanks for the quick responses.

03-12-2003, 11:14 PM	#5
Vida Blue Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greater Reich of Ontario Posts: 324	Ah, the question that nobody can answer. __________________ "The only way I'm going to get a Gold Glove is with a can of spray paint." - Reggie Jackson

03-13-2003, 02:26 AM	#6
MannyTrillo All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 664	"If a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody there to hear it, does it make a sound?" "What is the meaning of life?" "How do the league totals work?" Ah, the mysteries of life... The league totals settings are something you pretty much have to mess around and experiment with. Lowering the number of something will increase its frequency in your league, but there aren't really any precise settings you can use to get the numbers you want. __________________ Poster emeritus "Not butchery, dining!!" obt sk cmh ct President, A-1 Aces OT Posting Club Click here to join

03-13-2003, 04:16 AM	#7
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	without a doubt, the league totals setting is one of the great mysteries of life. i played ootp3 for a while without any system, finally i broke down and did the math and it worked a lot better. i basically took the league totals from baseballreference.com for a particular year, rounded the figures to 100,000 at bats, totaled the league at the end of the season and rounded that to 100,000 as well. if i was 200 doubles short, i lowered the doubles total 200, 400 homers too many, i added 400 homers, etc. it usually takes 2 seasons to be accurate so i would always start a historical sim 2 seasons before i actually wanted to start keeping track. after the 2 seasons are over, i'm almost always within 2 percent of where i want to be, which is good enough for me. if the league hit .262 in 1949, i want my league to hit .262 in 1949 or at least within a point or two either way. i'm always shocked that this isn't an issue for more new players. i think most of the old school people here have discussed it 1,000 times, but for me it is one of the biggest issues. after all this is a simulation game. if i'm not actually simulating, then what am i doing?

03-13-2003, 05:41 AM	#8
WarFisch Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 150	>>if i'm not actually simulating, then what am i doing?<< Boy, a thousand responses came to my mind, but I couldn't pick one. I'll just assume it was a rhetorical question.

03-13-2003, 06:05 AM	#9
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	a thousand responses? you're pretty quick...

03-14-2003, 09:42 PM	#10
WarFisch Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 150	ok, slight exageration, but there were more than two.

03-15-2003, 06:58 AM	#11
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	The key to the league totals, is simming the first season over and over until you have what you are looking for. Then you just shift those settings a little here and there after each season. One you get your initial settings,you won't have to make wholesale changes from year to year very often if at all. You just have to keep an eye on things and don't let a stat get out of hand. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-15-2003, 04:47 PM	#12
hamonrye Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 335	woody-that sounds like it could be a better idea then mine. it's definitely less work, which is nice. i haven't seen if the ratings of historical players themselves will take care of the fluctuations in the real-life history of the league totals when it comes to average, home runs, doubles, etc....i might have to try it out.

03-16-2003, 10:34 PM	#13
baseballbob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 101	Anybody ever try adjusting the raw import data for park effect and season normalization before import? And then setting the league totals to be as the league was that year? I'm currently following that path to see what kind of results I will get and whether it gives any quicker convergence to the result. The trick is to compile the L/R split data and to deduce actual L/R splits of park factors for the year in question. Which, until I find a way to speed things up in this process, is going to take me a while. LOL

03-17-2003, 12:24 PM	#14
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I've found that the "recalculate for historical" function works really well, better than I expected. A cool addition. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-17-2003, 12:28 PM	#15
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	The recalculate for historical accuracy does work fairly well. You have to keep an eye on things because sometimes something will start getting a little whacky due to players developing.

03-19-2003, 11:25 AM	#16
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	The recalculate hasn't worked that well for me for some reason. I have started a few historical sims where I have simmed a season out and had the #s about where I wanted them, and then the following season after recalculating the numbers change dramatically against the flow of history sometimes. I have had had this happen a lot for BA and for Ks. I had my BA at ~.250 and the next season it was ~.290. This was around the 1910 season. I don't what exactly happened, but it wasn't good Needless to say, currently I am calculating my own settings for each year. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-19-2003, 11:41 AM	#17
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	You know, I just ran into that same issue. My league is in 1910 now and the numbers were way, way off for home runs. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils