Injuries during Spring Training

Dyzalot · 05-17-2018, 09:20 PM

How come when a minor league "invitee", who isn't on the 40 man roster, gets injured I can't just send him back down to the minors? Why must I put him on the ML disabled list? Is that an actual rule in MLB? Seems like I should be able to just send him back to the minors so that he can be put on the minor league DL by the appropriate manager.

Qeltar · 05-17-2018, 10:08 PM

I believe this is because the MiLB DL exists only during the MiLB regular season, which is after ST.

Dyzalot · 05-17-2018, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Qeltar

I believe this is because the MiLB DL exists only during the MiLB regular season, which is after ST.

That's fine but I shouldn't be forced to place a guy who isn't on the 40 man roster on to the MLB DL which then puts him on my 40 man roster. I should just be able to demote these guys back to the minors and their manager can put them on the ML DL if needed once their season starts. Instead I now have a guy who is prematurely on my 40 man and will need to have an option used on him when he comes off so I can demote him back to the minors.

Matt Arnold · 05-18-2018, 10:53 AM

If they're not on the 40-man roster, I believe you should be able to demote them. I'm fairly certain I've been able to do that in the past.

RchW · 05-18-2018, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If they're not on the 40-man roster, I believe you should be able to demote them. I'm fairly certain I've been able to do that in the past.

Just confirmed this in ST with several players.

Dyzalot · 05-18-2018, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

If they're not on the 40-man roster, I believe you should be able to demote them. I'm fairly certain I've been able to do that in the past.

I thought I was able to in the past as well but this last time it didn't let me.

Dyzalot · 05-27-2018, 07:15 AM

Just updating this with more information since it does now seem like a bug was introduced recently. So I just tried to demote a guy who isn't on my 40 man roster but was invited to spring training and the game is making me run him through waivers. Both of the players I've referenced in this thread were guys who would be eligible for the next "rule 5" draft for what it's worth.

WIUPIKE · 05-27-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Just updating this with more information since it does now seem like a bug was introduced recently. So I just tried to demote a guy who isn't on my 40 man roster but was invited to spring training and the game is making me run him through waivers. Both of the players I've referenced in this thread were guys who would be eligible for the next "rule 5" draft for what it's worth.

Do you have screenshots available?

UltimateAverageGuy · 05-27-2018, 09:53 AM

Exactly why I've stayed in offseason to wait on the patch...

Le Grande Orange · 05-27-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

How come when a minor league "invitee", who isn't on the 40 man roster, gets injured I can't just send him back down to the minors? Why must I put him on the ML disabled list? Is that an actual rule in MLB? Seems like I should be able to just send him back to the minors so that he can be put on the minor league DL by the appropriate manager.

Technically, if the player is not on the 40-man roster, he never left the minors; he's just training at the major league camp rather than training at a minor league camp. Thus players can be easily transferred back to the minor league camp.

There are restrictions around assigning an injured player to the minors, but those apply to players on the 40-man roster.

RchW · 05-27-2018, 03:04 PM

It hasn't come to any of my leagues and I'm on the latest patch. Non-40 man players, injured or not are freely movable.

Dyzalot · 05-27-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WIUPIKE

Do you have screenshots available?

Not sure what I would take a screen shot of.

RchW · 05-27-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Not sure what I would take a screen shot of.

The dialogue box that says you must place the player on waivers.

Dyzalot · 05-27-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

The dialogue box that says you must place the player on waivers.

Not sure how much it will help but here goes. As you can see in the bottom left box, he isn't listed on my 40 man roster but the game won't let me just demote him to the minors. This is the day before opening day fwiw.

Dyzalot · 05-27-2018, 05:35 PM

Here's a screenshot of the player's contract page in case that sheds any light. I notice the game is giving him a ML salary even though he isn't on the 40-man. Could that be the culprit?

RchW · 05-27-2018, 06:08 PM

He's not an ST invitee with that contract. I'm not sure what the issue is but it's not ST invitees. Go to Front office/Salaries and see if he's on that list.

Dyzalot · 05-27-2018, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

He's not an ST invitee with that contract. I'm not sure what the issue is but it's not ST invitees. Go to Front office/Salaries and see if he's on that list.

He's listed on the salary list. He was an invitee though unless you have another name for someone not on the 40 man roster getting invited to spring training.

RchW · 05-27-2018, 07:42 PM

You can also go to Players/Listed players/active roster in ST to see what's happening. I show 49 players of which 11 don't have MLB Contracts.

RchW · 05-27-2018, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyzalot

He's listed on the salary list. He was an invitee though unless you have another name for someone not on the 40 man roster getting invited to spring training.

If he has a MLB contract and is not on the 40 man that is the bug.The two criteria are mutually exclusive.

A player can be on the 40 man roster and not have a MLB contract. Not vice versa.

gosensgo101 · 05-27-2018, 08:20 PM

If he cleared waivers in the offseason he could be on a Major League contract but in the minors before Spring Training.

05-17-2018, 09:20 PM	#1
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Injuries during Spring Training How come when a minor league "invitee", who isn't on the 40 man roster, gets injured I can't just send him back down to the minors? Why must I put him on the ML disabled list? Is that an actual rule in MLB? Seems like I should be able to just send him back to the minors so that he can be put on the minor league DL by the appropriate manager.

05-27-2018, 03:04 PM	#11
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	It hasn't come to any of my leagues and I'm on the latest patch. Non-40 man players, injured or not are freely movable. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-27-2018, 05:35 PM	#15
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Here's a screenshot of the player's contract page in case that sheds any light. I notice the game is giving him a ML salary even though he isn't on the 40-man. Could that be the culprit? Attached Images

05-27-2018, 06:08 PM	#16
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	He's not an ST invitee with that contract. I'm not sure what the issue is but it's not ST invitees. Go to Front office/Salaries and see if he's on that list. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-27-2018, 07:42 PM	#18
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	You can also go to Players/Listed players/active roster in ST to see what's happening. I show 49 players of which 11 don't have MLB Contracts. Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

05-17-2018, 10:08 PM	#2
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	I believe this is because the MiLB DL exists only during the MiLB regular season, which is after ST.

05-18-2018, 10:53 AM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,161	If they're not on the 40-man roster, I believe you should be able to demote them. I'm fairly certain I've been able to do that in the past.

05-27-2018, 07:15 AM	#7
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Just updating this with more information since it does now seem like a bug was introduced recently. So I just tried to demote a guy who isn't on my 40 man roster but was invited to spring training and the game is making me run him through waivers. Both of the players I've referenced in this thread were guys who would be eligible for the next "rule 5" draft for what it's worth.

05-27-2018, 09:53 AM	#9
UltimateAverageGuy All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 591	Exactly why I've stayed in offseason to wait on the patch...

05-27-2018, 08:20 PM	#20
gosensgo101 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 231	If he cleared waivers in the offseason he could be on a Major League contract but in the minors before Spring Training.