Purpose of Internation Complex

Critical Mass · 05-04-2018, 07:13 PM

Does this really do anything? It seems to me just a hangout for all the scrubs from underdeveloped countries that my scout brought to the US, as well as a place for my International Amateurs to hang. Is there really any purpose for keeping players there, or am I better off promoting a prospect that looks like he might have potential right into the minors, even if he's just 16?

Déjà Bru · 05-04-2018, 07:19 PM

These are great questions. I am wondering the same things.

The best that I can say about the IC is that it will not harm the organization to allow scrubs to hang around in there on the bare chance they may actually evolve into something. They do get thrown out of IC and into your lowest minor league club when they come of age, so you do have to watch that they don't clog up your system.

But yeah this whole scout discovery and IC is a waste except when you do find a gem once in a while. Somebody said that the quality - not the quantity - may depend on how much you are spending for international scouting. I dunno; dollar for dollar, even if that is so, I'd rather spend the bucks on the amateur draft.

koohead · 05-04-2018, 08:01 PM

I mentally use it as a replacement for the DSL and VSL. the reality is most clubs run "clinics" in Latin America where the 16-18 year old kids who are not quite ready for R ball can work out under the guidance of a major league organization. It doesn't cost me anything, I really don't have to manage it (no line ups to set or anything) and since those players are free I tend to let them hang out there until one magically develops beyond a 20/20 prospect or grows up to 18 or 19 years of age, upon which time I promote them to R ball and see what they can do.

stealofhome · 05-04-2018, 08:07 PM

It's also a way to stop the really young international players from getting into Rule 5 trouble if you'd like to keep them down a little longer.

Orcin · 05-04-2018, 09:50 PM

I think it is no more than a holding pen. I promote the 1 in a 1000 prospect as soon as I think he can handle DSL and completely ignore the rest.

NoOne · 05-04-2018, 10:28 PM

i used to think they rarely improved there, but that's definitely wrong. I must have been looking at too many 'scouting discoveries'.

i would wager it's a lower ceiling for optimal development than rookie level, but not by a huge amount. if there is such a thing as stagnation or diminishing returns as far as ratings development relative to level, it is just one more tier.

definitely better to promote any worthwhile prospect with appropriate ratings and age may be part of equation, too. i shoot for 18ish give or take a bit for any important prosepct. extremely high ratings may force me to promote them earlier.

they don't accrue 1 pro service year the first year you sign them - if they stay in complex. in real life i think it has to do with age, not sure how the game does it. some iafa are 18, most are 16-17 etc. you move them to rookie and the clock starts in the video game, regardless of age.

andyhdz · 05-04-2018, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Orcin

I think it is no more than a holding pen. I promote the 1 in a 1000 prospect as soon as I think he can handle DSL and completely ignore the rest.

And if you ever watch the movie Sugar that's pretty much how it is in real life too.

BBGiovanni · 05-04-2018, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andyhdz

And if you ever watch the movie Sugar that's pretty much how it is in real life too.

A movie everyone playing this game should see.

And yes, it's a generic/combined version of the MLB baseball plantations in the DR (and formerly Venezuela). Anyway, I leave kids there until they're 18 usually (since I never seem to find much overseas).

Mets52 · 05-05-2018, 11:38 AM

Promote when 18, let them sink or swim. Everyone gets tied up in their initial listed potential, you have to let them age and play before you see what they will develop into. As in real life...

Trauma One · 05-06-2018, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mets52

Promote when 18, let them sink or swim. Everyone gets tied up in their initial listed potential, you have to let them age and play before you see what they will develop into. As in real life...

I do about the same. Promote most at 18. A few I keep until 19 or 20 if their scout ratings are so low I don't think they'll collect any playing time. I let them play for a year or two and then cut them if they haven't developed.

ThePretender · 05-06-2018, 09:13 AM

If they have the ceiling of a MLB player I promote them as early as 16. They develop much faster in the minor leagues. If I promote @ 16 they're usually MLB ready by 20/21 and I have never run into options trouble with the guys I promote in any of the leagues I use.

If you want to keep them in the IC, by all means, but I feel that's hurting your future development in the long run. I would only keep a player in the IC if my rookie league was filled with prospects at the positions my player plays, and thus wouldn't have play time.

Qeltar · 05-06-2018, 10:33 AM

Interesting discussion.

I wonder if seasonal timing has anything to do with it. If development is tied to playing time, then one factor should be when in the year the IC plays.

For example, right now it's March in my game. Rookie ball doesn't start until June. I have no idea when the IC is programmed to be considered "active" in the game since it doesn't have a schedule like the other leagues.

I do see development occur even during off seasons, but in my last report (for the month of Feb) there seemed to be more movement for those in the IC than in R.

NoOne · 05-06-2018, 02:00 PM

the ratings are incredibly inaccurate at IC and Rookie levels... like someone alluded to in an earlier post, you do have to let them age a bit and promote them to see their ratings more accurately.

sink or swim etc... plus whether age had anything to do with it. between club control years and 3 options even if you move at 16 won't be a problem. after 9-10 years and you'll know if they are a keeper for sure. (more likely before)

IC doesn't play any games, so don't let that affect when you promote.

05-04-2018, 07:13 PM	#1
Critical Mass Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 273	Purpose of Internation Complex Does this really do anything? It seems to me just a hangout for all the scrubs from underdeveloped countries that my scout brought to the US, as well as a place for my International Amateurs to hang. Is there really any purpose for keeping players there, or am I better off promoting a prospect that looks like he might have potential right into the minors, even if he's just 16?

05-04-2018, 07:19 PM	#2
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Long Island Posts: 11,742	These are great questions. I am wondering the same things. The best that I can say about the IC is that it will not harm the organization to allow scrubs to hang around in there on the bare chance they may actually evolve into something. They do get thrown out of IC and into your lowest minor league club when they come of age, so you do have to watch that they don't clog up your system. But yeah this whole scout discovery and IC is a waste except when you do find a gem once in a while. Somebody said that the quality - not the quantity - may depend on how much you are spending for international scouting. I dunno; dollar for dollar, even if that is so, I'd rather spend the bucks on the amateur draft. __________________ - Bru

05-04-2018, 08:01 PM	#3
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,229	I mentally use it as a replacement for the DSL and VSL. the reality is most clubs run "clinics" in Latin America where the 16-18 year old kids who are not quite ready for R ball can work out under the guidance of a major league organization. It doesn't cost me anything, I really don't have to manage it (no line ups to set or anything) and since those players are free I tend to let them hang out there until one magically develops beyond a 20/20 prospect or grows up to 18 or 19 years of age, upon which time I promote them to R ball and see what they can do. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

05-04-2018, 08:07 PM	#4
stealofhome Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,282	It's also a way to stop the really young international players from getting into Rule 5 trouble if you'd like to keep them down a little longer.

05-04-2018, 09:50 PM	#5
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,875	I think it is no more than a holding pen. I promote the 1 in a 1000 prospect as soon as I think he can handle DSL and completely ignore the rest.

05-04-2018, 10:28 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	i used to think they rarely improved there, but that's definitely wrong. I must have been looking at too many 'scouting discoveries'. i would wager it's a lower ceiling for optimal development than rookie level, but not by a huge amount. if there is such a thing as stagnation or diminishing returns as far as ratings development relative to level, it is just one more tier. definitely better to promote any worthwhile prospect with appropriate ratings and age may be part of equation, too. i shoot for 18ish give or take a bit for any important prosepct. extremely high ratings may force me to promote them earlier. they don't accrue 1 pro service year the first year you sign them - if they stay in complex. in real life i think it has to do with age, not sure how the game does it. some iafa are 18, most are 16-17 etc. you move them to rookie and the clock starts in the video game, regardless of age.

05-05-2018, 11:38 AM	#9
Mets52 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 124	Promote when 18, let them sink or swim. Everyone gets tied up in their initial listed potential, you have to let them age and play before you see what they will develop into. As in real life...

05-06-2018, 09:13 AM	#11
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,331	If they have the ceiling of a MLB player I promote them as early as 16. They develop much faster in the minor leagues. If I promote @ 16 they're usually MLB ready by 20/21 and I have never run into options trouble with the guys I promote in any of the leagues I use. If you want to keep them in the IC, by all means, but I feel that's hurting your future development in the long run. I would only keep a player in the IC if my rookie league was filled with prospects at the positions my player plays, and thus wouldn't have play time.

05-06-2018, 10:33 AM	#12
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Interesting discussion. I wonder if seasonal timing has anything to do with it. If development is tied to playing time, then one factor should be when in the year the IC plays. For example, right now it's March in my game. Rookie ball doesn't start until June. I have no idea when the IC is programmed to be considered "active" in the game since it doesn't have a schedule like the other leagues. I do see development occur even during off seasons, but in my last report (for the month of Feb) there seemed to be more movement for those in the IC than in R.

05-06-2018, 02:00 PM	#13
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	the ratings are incredibly inaccurate at IC and Rookie levels... like someone alluded to in an earlier post, you do have to let them age a bit and promote them to see their ratings more accurately. sink or swim etc... plus whether age had anything to do with it. between club control years and 3 options even if you move at 16 won't be a problem. after 9-10 years and you'll know if they are a keeper for sure. (more likely before) IC doesn't play any games, so don't let that affect when you promote.