New To OOTP .... Newb Question

[BronxBombers23]

Hey Guys ....Long time Baseball Mogul Player that came over this season and I could kill myself for not making the switch years ago .....

Anyways ..... I have dipped into some modding of unis and 3d parks and I'm loving it but I have run into my fantasy problem.

I want to start a league in 1987 and relocate the Expos to Brooklyn and have them play in Ebbets.I did this with ease but I noticed the financials arent reflecting the former Expos in a NYC market. Will it auto correct in 1988 or did I miss a setting ???

Thanks in advance.

[jpeters1734]

First off, welcome!!

I'd probably need more info to give you a great answer but if you want the market size for brooklyn to change, you have to edit that manually. are you able to post a screenshot of your financial settings? Also, what are your expectations on what it should look like?

[BronxBombers23]

Thanks for the welcome and the response

I guess to make it an easier question ....

Is there a way for me to edit Market Size, Fan Loyalty, and Fan Interest ?

[jpeters1734]

yes. you must have commish mode on and then go to edit team finances

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[BronxBombers23]

Thanks !!

The sheer amount of screen navigation is staggering compared to Mogul.

1987 was the first year I really knew all the players so it is usually my starting point for dynasty mode games and I love the idea of NY having a third team. Moving the Expos and re-branding them is a favorite scenario but I didnt want the handicap of the Montreal fan interest and economy trying to compete with the Mets and Yankees.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by BronxBombers23

Thanks !!

The sheer amount of screen navigation is staggering compared to Mogul.

1987 was the first year I really knew all the players so it is usually my starting point for dynasty mode games and I love the idea of NY having a third team. Moving the Expos and re-branding them is a favorite scenario but I didnt want the handicap of the Montreal fan interest and economy trying to compete with the Mets and Yankees.

If you think about it, what would the market size for a third NY team actually be? It's a misperception that it's based on population or television markets.

I think of market size as how many fans/supporters they have. If you plop a 3rd team in New York, how many New Yorkers would support them over the yankees of the mets? By the way, the Met's market size is about average even though they play in NY. That's because the majority of NYers are Yankee fans. The money goes to the Yankees. I think if NY actually got a 3rd team, the market size would be smaller than you might think.

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

If you think about it, what would the market size for a third NY team actually be? It's a misperception that it's based on population or television markets.

I think of market size as how many fans/supporters they have. If you plop a 3rd team in New York, how many New Yorkers would support them over the yankees of the mets? By the way, the Met's market size is about average even though they play in NY. That's because the majority of NYers are Yankee fans. The money goes to the Yankees. I think if NY actually got a 3rd team, the market size would be smaller than you might think.

I think the market would be just below the Mets for year 1 due to the "new" factor then drop off depending upon team performance. If the Yankees are good they will continue being top dog in the city.

Now, is the third team in the NL or AL? If they are in the NL they will probably end up splitting the available fan support with the Mets which could end up hurting both teams.

I guess it depends on if you think fan support is a static or dynamic figure.

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[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

I think the market would be just below the Mets for year 1 due to the "new" factor then drop off depending upon team performance. If the Yankees are good they will continue being top dog in the city.

Now, is the third team in the NL or AL? If they are in the NL they will probably end up splitting the available fan support with the Mets which could end up hurting both teams.

I guess it depends on if you think fan support is a static or dynamic figure.

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I think you're referring to fan interest. Market size is what drives media contracts

[pgjocki]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I think you're referring to fan interest. Market size is what drives media contracts

Ah yes, thanks!

I have to rethink this then.

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[BronxBombers23]

Originally Posted by pgjocki

I think the market would be just below the Mets for year 1 due to the "new" factor then drop off depending upon team performance. If the Yankees are good they will continue being top dog in the city.

Now, is the third team in the NL or AL? If they are in the NL they will probably end up splitting the available fan support with the Mets which could end up hurting both teams.

I guess it depends on if you think fan support is a static or dynamic figure.

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So ..... I see it as initial excitement putting fan interest a little high and then the performance regulating it long term.

Market size should be the same for Mets and Yankees but fan loyalty should be lower. The Yankees have a loyal base and the year prior the Mets won it all in thrilling fashion (1986).

I like the idea of moving the Expos in and recreating Ebbets with fan enthusiasm being high for year one but it is more of a novelty and they have to carve out respect and a real long term fan base competing with the other 2 teams.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by BronxBombers23

So ..... I see it as initial excitement putting fan interest a little high and then the performance regulating it long term.

Market size should be the same for Mets and Yankees but fan loyalty should be lower. The Yankees have a loyal base and the year prior the Mets won it all in thrilling fashion (1986).

I like the idea of moving the Expos in and recreating Ebbets with fan enthusiasm being high for year one but it is more of a novelty and they have to carve out respect and a real long term fan base competing with the other 2 teams.

for your scenario, i would definitely max out fan interest to 100. that will give you a lot of sellouts. fan loyalty should be average to maybe below average, and market size should probably be equal or a step below the mets.