Lefthanded catchers & infielders

MontyBurns · 03-19-2003, 01:30 PM

Sorry if this has been discussed before. I searched and couldn't find anything on it. First of all, I love v.5. Manager mode and the new development algorithms have made things much more challenging.

However there is one thing that continually bugs me. I think I remember it from earlier versions. I sim most of my games and try not to micromanage my minor league system. The computer will substitute lefties (throwers) during games at catcher (haven't seen it at infielder yet). It even will do so when I have 3 players rated at catcher on my roster. It also teaches lefties new positions at 2B,SS,3B in the minors. I know there were lefty catchers in the past, but I can't remember any lefthanded throwing infielders.

I know nothing about programming, so I'm not trying to be a wiseass with this question, but isn't there a way to simply say lefties can't play C,2B,3B,SS? Would that interfere with historical leagues? What logic does the computer use when deciding on in-game substitutions and teaching new positions? Am I missing something to prevent this from happenning?

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-19-2003, 01:51 PM

This has been brought up before and currently there is nothing that can be done to prevent this so I would suggest either edit them or ignore them.

MontyBurns · 03-19-2003, 02:41 PM

Thanks, Steve. Sorry I missed the earlier discussions. I use to edit the throwing handedness of the players, now in Manager Mode I use the "ignore them" method. Its a minor thing, but is there any chance Markus will look at it in the future?

Steve Kuffrey · 03-19-2003, 02:45 PM

Well, early on I had brought it to his attention but from what I remember it just wasn't currently possible to eliminate them. I have not checked recently so when the opportunity presents itself I'll ask again.

MJohnson · 03-19-2003, 03:09 PM

This question is along the same topic.

Are the throwing hands of fielders purely cosmetic or do they have an affect in the game. Like is a left handed first basemen better at tagging out runners on pickoff attempts. Is it easier for a left handed third baseman to snag a ball down the line since his glove wouldn't have to go across his body?

magicmike · 03-19-2003, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MJohnson
This question is along the same topic.

Are the throwing hands of fielders purely cosmetic or do they have an affect in the game. Like is a left handed first basemen better at tagging out runners on pickoff attempts. Is it easier for a left handed third baseman to snag a ball down the line since his glove wouldn't have to go across his body?

Good question. Is a left handed shortstop in the game disadvantaged the same way a real life shortstop would be? Bumpety bump bump.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-19-2003, 10:41 PM

I don't believe that it matters but not 100% certain.

Nukester · 03-19-2003, 10:49 PM

As good as this engine is (IMHO the best) I highly doubt that it could make those kind of decisions, like left handed thirdbasemen snagging drives down the line easier. I would think that is strictly a range/fielding avg decision

Just my humble opinion. Of course Id love to hear that I am wrong !

magicmike · 03-20-2003, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nukester
As good as this engine is (IMHO the best) I highly doubt that it could make those kind of decisions, like left handed thirdbasemen snagging drives down the line easier. I would think that is strictly a range/fielding avg decision

Just my humble opinion. Of course Id love to hear that I am wrong !

I would think you're probably right. I just wonder if the ai even factors the effect of right or left "handedness" on a generated player's ability to play infield defense, or if the ai is totally blind to it so that I shouldn't be concerned about fielding a left handed second baseman.

MontyBurns · 03-20-2003, 02:46 AM

I've never seen any evidence that "handedness" affects anything. Its always been a cosmetic thing for me. I think range ratings and fielding percentages are the only things that really matter. Still, I'm always irritated when a lefty is put in the 9th inning when I've got a reserve catcher on my active roster

MJohnson · 03-20-2003, 02:54 AM

I too feel that the handedness of a position player is cosmetic as the type of pitch for a pitcher is.

03-19-2003, 01:30 PM	#1
MontyBurns Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NV Posts: 7	Lefthanded catchers & infielders Sorry if this has been discussed before. I searched and couldn't find anything on it. First of all, I love v.5. Manager mode and the new development algorithms have made things much more challenging. However there is one thing that continually bugs me. I think I remember it from earlier versions. I sim most of my games and try not to micromanage my minor league system. The computer will substitute lefties (throwers) during games at catcher (haven't seen it at infielder yet). It even will do so when I have 3 players rated at catcher on my roster. It also teaches lefties new positions at 2B,SS,3B in the minors. I know there were lefty catchers in the past, but I can't remember any lefthanded throwing infielders. I know nothing about programming, so I'm not trying to be a wiseass with this question, but isn't there a way to simply say lefties can't play C,2B,3B,SS? Would that interfere with historical leagues? What logic does the computer use when deciding on in-game substitutions and teaching new positions? Am I missing something to prevent this from happenning? Thanks for any help anyone can give.

03-19-2003, 01:51 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	This has been brought up before and currently there is nothing that can be done to prevent this so I would suggest either edit them or ignore them. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-19-2003, 02:45 PM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	Well, early on I had brought it to his attention but from what I remember it just wasn't currently possible to eliminate them. I have not checked recently so when the opportunity presents itself I'll ask again. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-19-2003, 10:41 PM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	I don't believe that it matters but not 100% certain. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-19-2003, 02:41 PM	#3
MontyBurns Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NV Posts: 7	Thanks, Steve. Sorry I missed the earlier discussions. I use to edit the throwing handedness of the players, now in Manager Mode I use the "ignore them" method. Its a minor thing, but is there any chance Markus will look at it in the future?

03-19-2003, 03:09 PM	#5
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	This question is along the same topic. Are the throwing hands of fielders purely cosmetic or do they have an affect in the game. Like is a left handed first basemen better at tagging out runners on pickoff attempts. Is it easier for a left handed third baseman to snag a ball down the line since his glove wouldn't have to go across his body?

03-19-2003, 10:49 PM	#8
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	As good as this engine is (IMHO the best) I highly doubt that it could make those kind of decisions, like left handed thirdbasemen snagging drives down the line easier. I would think that is strictly a range/fielding avg decision Just my humble opinion. Of course Id love to hear that I am wrong !

03-20-2003, 02:46 AM	#10
MontyBurns Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NV Posts: 7	I've never seen any evidence that "handedness" affects anything. Its always been a cosmetic thing for me. I think range ratings and fielding percentages are the only things that really matter. Still, I'm always irritated when a lefty is put in the 9th inning when I've got a reserve catcher on my active roster

03-20-2003, 02:54 AM	#11
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	I too feel that the handedness of a position player is cosmetic as the type of pitch for a pitcher is.