Overall Ratings

[Bulldawgz24]

New to the game here and working on my 2nd season of play as the tigers GM/Manager.


I'm a little confused on the overall ratings. I've already learned that you need look deeper than the overall but some of the ratings seem drastic.


Tyler Collins, who is not very good, overall rating is 71 (20-80) in my league. I don't particularly like him, so when I shop him around, I get offers of crappy veterans with bloated contracts or 21 rated minor leaguers, even though he's making less than 1mil. I thought this might be defense related partially cause he is rated decent in outfield defense at all 3 positions, but then Iglesias doesn't make sense.....


Jose Iglesias is a 21 rated player on my team with similar batting ratings to Collins (minus the power) and good fielding. Also when I tried to extend him, he is asking for 9mil/year for 5 years even though he is rated 21/21.


It seems like I should almost completely ignore overall ratings based on this. Thoughts?

[PSUColonel]

The overall ratings are very messed up if you are using relative ratings, so yes, IMO it's not a bad option to shut them off, but the only problem is the overall summary on the written report still reflects drastic differences between what your scout thinks in reality, and what is actually displayed in the scouting report. You'll notice huge differences in opinion between what your scout thinks on the profile page compared to the scouting page. You need to either ignore the scouting report rating, or re-scout the player by assigning the player to the scout task list.

This issue is a result of relative ratings not being the default...which is a shame because they are far more realistic.

[Calvert98]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This issue is a result of relative ratings not being the default...which is a shame because they are far more realistic.

PSUColonel,

This is interesting; could you expand on this a bit? As to being more realistic and how you think the relative ratings work. Been a fan of the game for while and don't exactly understand the scope of this. Also, I have moved away from the "Stars", so I am wondering what other impacts this would have.

[PSUColonel]

It's a fault in the overall ratings system. If you are using relative ratings you will often notice your scout's opinion on the profile page vs the scouting report page can be wildly different. This is due to relative ratings not because no the default ratings. If you use the real ratings, these reports will agree with each other, but the ratings scale will be totally unrealistic. You will commonly see players with good individual ratings routinely rated poorly overall. So it's a case of picking your poison until this is sorted out, which won't likely be until version 19 (unless somehow Matt & Markus decided to switch ch over this summer)

I use relative ratings, and know the scout's opinion on the profile page is the right one, so I typically ignore the opinion in the scouting page. Sometimes the two agree, but very often not. A big issue I have with the overall rating on the profile page though...is it acts in real time and is dynamic for some reason. This defeats the purpose of receiving scouting updates for the purpose of overall ratings. ( individual ratings work properly)

Edit: according big tobdevelopers this is a very close mother lex issue (as it's been present for years) and is going to require a re-design of some sort when it comes to ratings. I think it will involve making relative ratings the new default, but I don't pretend to know the mess lurking under the hood.

[Bulldawgz24]

Thanks for the input.


How do I use relative ratings? Is that a setting? Is it on by default?


If using relative ratings you basically ignore the scouting report ratings and use the overall on the main page in addition to the ratings (contact, power, ect....)?

[Lukas Berger]

Having scouting turned on will affect this, and means the ratings you see are going to be off, more so with worse scouts but even to a certain extent with good ones as well.

[Bulldawgz24]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Having scouting turned on will affect this, and means the ratings you see are going to be off, more so with worse scouts but even to a certain extent with good ones as well.

Lukas would it help to individually scout a player on my major league roster?


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[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Bulldawgz24

Lukas would it help to individually scout a player on my major league roster?


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it will, yes...but there still really shouldn't be differences in opinion, and the profile opinion should not be dynamic....these things will hopefully be fixed in the future.

[Bulldawgz24]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

it will, yes...but there still really shouldn't be differences in opinion, and the profile opinion should not be dynamic....these things will hopefully be fixed in the future.

I agree, to me it would be ideal that the overall rating would match your scouts rating in the scouting report. It also shouldn't change until the player is scouted again either through individual scouting or when all the players are scouted. You can still have scouting error on with this as well.


It would also make sense that if your head scout rated a player 30/80, but played at say an 70 rated level over a certain period of time that their rating would go up some, or stay the same (if the scout believes it to just be a hot streak), but not go down. I've had some instances of a high rated player, who performed really well, actually went down in overall rating.


Also, the OSA rating should correlate somewhat to how other teams rate that particular player. How I couldn't get any offers for Tyler Collins who's rating was 71/80 & was less than 1mil/yr is beyond me (even though I think he's much worse than that).

[TGH-Adfabre]

1) If you are still learning I recommend turning scouting accuracy to 100% or turn scouting off. Once you get a handle on the game then Scouting Inaccuracy or Stats only adds to the experience.
2) Are you players rated based on position or based on all players?
3) Are you players rated based on Ratings only or based on Stats?


I like OVR/POT. I do not play with scouts and mainly I play based on Ratings not stats so my OVR is usually pretty accurate. It is a good beginning for assessing players.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Bulldawgz24

Lukas would it help to individually scout a player on my major league roster?


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It should help, but the rating will still likely be off to an extent. That's just how scouting works

[Bulldawgz24]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

It should help, but the rating will still likely be off to an extent. That's just how scouting works

Understood, I would hope that Iglesias (21) & Collins (71) would level out some especially since my scouting director is decent. I guess I will find out... :P

[Bulldawgz24]

Played last night and re-scouted both Iglesias & Collins and still same result. Still seems way off...


How can Tyler Collins overall be rated so high by OSA & my scouting director, and on the profile page (70's) with mediocre skill ratings. Also, how can he have no trade value making less than 1mil/yr & rated in the 70's.....just doesn't add up.

[NoOne]

It's a good thing you aren't offered much for collins, in spite of his ratings... same with iglasias... and the ss demand is quite cheap relative to his position. he may be worth that much, but still interchangeable relative to 30 different GM's attitudes on weighting def/off. so, he may be worht 8-9mill, but no one is pining for him, therefore no trade value... too many opportunities to get somethin nearly equivalent and much cheaper. a player like iglasias will still find a job if you let him go... as long as his offense is somewhere near "below average-to-average."

if you have ai evaluation on and he's had a bit of a hot streak, that could bloat and overall.

stop using overall to assess what is right/wrong with things... it may correlate but it is a poor indicator relative to other information you have access to... so use the better information

create and save some filters for various roles... i'll adjust the thresholds depending on what i am looking for and what is likely to be available.

i have filters for SP / RP and batters... with batters i jst have 1 filter, but i constantly change the thresholds depending on what i am looking at.

for a pure lead-off hitter i may sort by contact with a focus on their eye, too, and low threshold for power, if not zeroed out... if a raker is needed, i am sorting by contact still (just personal pref), but my "power" threshold has been increased in the filter

control for SP for sure is huge, but with RP stuf/move is a bit more important... regardless, all 3 ratings for pitchres are fairly important to some extent for all roles.

[endgame]

Bull, run a rescout from the league settings page. See if it stabilizes anything. And don't put a lot of credence to everything you hear here. It's a much bigger picture with many more contributing elements than are generally understood. There are a few who think they understand after years of experimenting, but the reality is they've just spent years speculating, further confusing themselves and others.

Run the rescout, please and thank you.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by endgame

Bull, run a rescout from the league settings page. See if it stabilizes anything. And don't put a lot of credence to everything you hear here. It's a much bigger picture with many more contributing elements than are generally understood. There are a few who think they understand after years of experimenting, but the reality is they've just spent years guessing and further confusing themselves and others.

Run the rescout, please and thank you.

What I wrote above is what I was directly told by developers.

[PSUColonel]

here is an example using actual ratings (not relative) I can't see where with these individual ratings how this player could ever be ranked a 20....and there are tons of examples like this.

[PSUColonel]

Now with relative ratings turned on (I also re-scouted the league)

[PSUColonel]

so as you can see, you really are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. It's a matter of picking your poison.

[TGH-Adfabre]

Are you using Ratings to create OVR or AI Evaluation?