When in the offseason to trade stars?

pegasus22n · 03-14-2017, 01:23 AM

First off this game is amazing, I've been playing for about two months and I'm still finding little things I didn't know about.

I need to trade an expensive and locally popular star, but I don't want to do it during the season. I need money to extend my young up coming core and this is the only way how. But last year I had the same plan with another star, and while I got the talent I wanted back, It backfired because my season ticket sales dropped despite the team winning the division, and left me no money to do anything without a bunch of other ancillary trades.

So at what point during the offseason should I trade him? I don't want to wait too long because the market will dry up for him and I want the team's morale to even out while getting used to playing without him during ST.

NoOne · 03-14-2017, 06:51 AM

trade him when teams have money for his contract - so before FA. that will give the most options for a return... not that it is impossible to trade later, but you will definitely have less trade options. definitely look to packager other things that you don't want, but aren't as glamorous... like that ~50/80 position player that meets their weakness -- assuming that player isn't part of your MLB team plans. you can get some nifty minor league prospects that way. it's somethign you can build up to over time with good drafting and can only do on occasion... it's not a magic key or anything.

if you extend a couple players in their 3rd-4th year that should offset most of it...

if you are that concerned about season ticket sales, the bulk of them a sold the day after winter meetings end. you could take the fan interest hit after that and maybe avoid some of the loss?

pegasus22n · 03-14-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

trade him when teams have money for his contract - so before FA. that will give the most options for a return... not that it is impossible to trade later, but you will definitely have less trade options. definitely look to packager other things that you don't want, but aren't as glamorous... like that ~50/80 position player that meets their weakness -- assuming that player isn't part of your MLB team plans. you can get some nifty minor league prospects that way. it's somethign you can build up to over time with good drafting and can only do on occasion... it's not a magic key or anything.

if you extend a couple players in their 3rd-4th year that should offset most of it...

if you are that concerned about season ticket sales, the bulk of them a sold the day after winter meetings end. you could take the fan interest hit after that and maybe avoid some of the loss?

Yeah I need to avoid as much of the loss as I can. That's kind of what I needed to know, is that they are sold after winter meetings. I took a 17 percent dip in season ticket sales from last season, even though the team improved from the year before and made the playoffs. All told it was a difference of right under 13 million dollars in the budget and I have a penny pinching owner. So it did me no good to dump his contract when I did because the financial hit wasn't worth it in the end.

NoOne · 03-15-2017, 07:56 PM

don't worry about it in that way...

season ticket sales (# of seats sold) won't influence how many seats you sell in the regular season.

during the regular season... you will sellout if you price it right... and how many season tickets you sold does not influence this pricing value - i can assure you. exclusive of each other in this way. other things do make this value change - like winning or losing games as the season progresses... relative to your fan situation (interest / loyalty, whatever).

relative to your fans, you'll find an income from season tickets that will maximize profits - going up or down from that will be the concern. i only worry about good times, so i can't tell you much beside that situation.

it's somewher near average ticket price (when trying to increase it throughout season) to max ticket price at the end of the season.

i'd start at ~avg ticket price and move up/down $1 and compare total ticket revenue at end. requires the same fan metrics to learn easily. after a few datapoints you can use a bit of calculus to figure it out

2 competeing independent variables... you may make more by chargin more for season tickets while less # sold, but if the #'s dwindle too much, the differential of avg to season ticket price loss per seat will trump that gain. so, it's more than just maximizing season ticket revenue while at or above expected average ticket price during the season.

average ticket price during season = Gate revenue / # of games / (attendance - season ticket sales) -- don't forget to subtract season tickets from average attendance

I'm ~100% certain you don't want to price season tickets below that, but i could be wrong... i've never tried to work out hte math.. it floats too much due to changing factors like fan interest and my eye is good enough relative to that, now.

assumes you price to sellout each game, too. (max value to do so)

slugger922cubs · 03-15-2017, 08:49 PM

As mentioned before you'll get the best return trading between the Post-season and when FAs declare or the earliest offseason opportunity. This will affect your season ticket sales which happen later in the off-season. This shouldn't be a big issue. The main difference between season ticket sales and regular ticket sales is that you dont have to split the gate share with other teams. Assuming MLB standard set-up means you get 20% more
out of them. If you're maximizing your revenue that shouldn't be too much money.

03-14-2017, 01:23 AM	#1
pegasus22n Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 6	When in the offseason to trade stars? First off this game is amazing, I've been playing for about two months and I'm still finding little things I didn't know about. I need to trade an expensive and locally popular star, but I don't want to do it during the season. I need money to extend my young up coming core and this is the only way how. But last year I had the same plan with another star, and while I got the talent I wanted back, It backfired because my season ticket sales dropped despite the team winning the division, and left me no money to do anything without a bunch of other ancillary trades. So at what point during the offseason should I trade him? I don't want to wait too long because the market will dry up for him and I want the team's morale to even out while getting used to playing without him during ST.

03-14-2017, 06:51 AM	#2
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	trade him when teams have money for his contract - so before FA. that will give the most options for a return... not that it is impossible to trade later, but you will definitely have less trade options. definitely look to packager other things that you don't want, but aren't as glamorous... like that ~50/80 position player that meets their weakness -- assuming that player isn't part of your MLB team plans. you can get some nifty minor league prospects that way. it's somethign you can build up to over time with good drafting and can only do on occasion... it's not a magic key or anything. if you extend a couple players in their 3rd-4th year that should offset most of it... if you are that concerned about season ticket sales, the bulk of them a sold the day after winter meetings end. you could take the fan interest hit after that and maybe avoid some of the loss? Last edited by NoOne; 03-14-2017 at 06:55 AM.

03-15-2017, 07:56 PM	#4
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	don't worry about it in that way... season ticket sales (# of seats sold) won't influence how many seats you sell in the regular season. during the regular season... you will sellout if you price it right... and how many season tickets you sold does not influence this pricing value - i can assure you. exclusive of each other in this way. other things do make this value change - like winning or losing games as the season progresses... relative to your fan situation (interest / loyalty, whatever). relative to your fans, you'll find an income from season tickets that will maximize profits - going up or down from that will be the concern. i only worry about good times, so i can't tell you much beside that situation. it's somewher near average ticket price (when trying to increase it throughout season) to max ticket price at the end of the season. i'd start at ~avg ticket price and move up/down $1 and compare total ticket revenue at end. requires the same fan metrics to learn easily. after a few datapoints you can use a bit of calculus to figure it out 2 competeing independent variables... you may make more by chargin more for season tickets while less # sold, but if the #'s dwindle too much, the differential of avg to season ticket price loss per seat will trump that gain. so, it's more than just maximizing season ticket revenue while at or above expected average ticket price during the season. average ticket price during season = Gate revenue / # of games / (attendance - season ticket sales) -- don't forget to subtract season tickets from average attendance I'm ~100% certain you don't want to price season tickets below that, but i could be wrong... i've never tried to work out hte math.. it floats too much due to changing factors like fan interest and my eye is good enough relative to that, now. assumes you price to sellout each game, too. (max value to do so) Last edited by NoOne; 03-15-2017 at 08:26 PM.

03-15-2017, 08:49 PM	#5
slugger922cubs Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 314	As mentioned before you'll get the best return trading between the Post-season and when FAs declare or the earliest offseason opportunity. This will affect your season ticket sales which happen later in the off-season. This shouldn't be a big issue. The main difference between season ticket sales and regular ticket sales is that you dont have to split the gate share with other teams. Assuming MLB standard set-up means you get 20% more out of them. If you're maximizing your revenue that shouldn't be too much money.