opt out question

Marsupilami · 12-22-2016, 06:27 PM

If a player chooses not to opt out, will there be a notification email?

RchW · 12-22-2016, 06:47 PM

yes

edit:

Even though it doesn't matter.

mitchkenn · 12-22-2016, 06:50 PM

i believe so. Can't recall exactly if it's an email or something to the GM/Manager. i think it was around the time of arbitration. Had it happen to one of my stars pitchers in my last season, but i can't recall exact circumstances. But i knew before FA filings i had to find a replacement.

Marsupilami · 12-22-2016, 06:51 PM

in my online league, 1 player had a Vesting Option (which was met) and an opt out. After the Vesting was met, i never received a decision about the opt out (other teams had players opt out).

could there be an oversight?

while im happy that he stays, i just want to make sure that everything worked as it was supposed to.

RchW · 12-22-2016, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsupilami

in my online league, 1 player had a Vesting Option (which was met) and an opt out. After the Vesting was met, i never received a decision about the opt out (other teams had players opt out).

could there be an oversight?

while im happy that he stays, i just want to make sure that everything worked as it was supposed to.

If it is the players decision, regardless of the decision, it doesn't matter logically. Since you have no control getting or not getting an email is meaningless. I understand that it matters socially, I'd like to know as well but if the player is still on your team after the date prescribed, your roster will reflect it as well as your budget.

Winnipeg59 · 12-22-2016, 07:28 PM

Yes. You will receive a message stating the player has opted to stay with your team.
Just had it happen.

TGH-Adfabre · 12-22-2016, 07:55 PM

It should happen on the first day of the offseason, right after the WS. That is when team option decisions are due. I would imagine the same timeframe applies.

Marsupilami · 12-23-2016, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

If it is the players decision, regardless of the decision, it doesn't matter logically. Since you have no control getting or not getting an email is meaningless. I understand that it matters socially, I'd like to know as well but if the player is still on your team after the date prescribed, your roster will reflect it as well as your budget.

I dont care about the social aspect.
I am worried that he might not actually get to choose, that the system is flawed.
On Nov 4th, all Options are trigged (at the same time?). If both are triggered at the same time, then the optout couldnt trigger. The last year of the contract is a vest option that hasnt triggered yet, so there is no decision to make. And then bamm, Vesting option fullfilled, 1 year is now guarantueed.

BigRed75 · 12-23-2016, 02:39 PM

But isn't the idea behind the vesting option that it's automatically triggered? And logically, if the player really cared about the ability to opt-out above everything else, he wouldn't have agreed to a vesting option that could potentially take that choice away from him.

Marsupilami · 12-23-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

But isn't the idea behind the vesting option that it's automatically triggered? And logically, if the player really cared about the ability to opt-out above everything else, he wouldn't have agreed to a vesting option that could potentially take that choice away from him.

i agree that it should be auto triggered, but apparently it doesnt and the opt out then gets skipped

i posted it in bugreport, see answer from Matt
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...e-opt-out.html

RchW · 12-30-2016, 06:48 PM

It's a bug in AI logic. Both options in the same year make no sense when negotiating a contract. Matt should fix the AI so it can't happen. See my post in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by RchW

Does this contract situation exist in real life? I doubt it. This is an AI logic issue that should be fixed, not the order of application. Keep in mind an opt out is also an opt in, a very powerful card for a player. Opt out/in clauses are very rare. As of 2014 only 7 of 52 $100M+ contracts have Opt out/in clauses. None AFAIK including lower value contracts have vesting options that would result in free agency. MadBum has club options that can vest with a higher salary via innings pitched or winning awards. Not the same thing and he has no opt out/in.

The only contract with both that I can find is Elvis Andrus but they are not in the same year so it's not analogous.

From a team perspective it makes no sense to accept multiple clauses one of which removes the protection from player injury established by a vesting clause. I'd fire any lawyer that would give away my vesting clause protection by allowing an injured player who didn't meet the vesting requirement a free shot at continuing the contract if injured. It contradicts the entire logic of vesting clauses. It defies logic that a team would want to give a player with injury concerns an opt out/in in the first place. This is poor AI and real life logic.

From a player perspective it makes no sense to accept competing clauses unless one overrules the other. The player opt/in out is far more powerful, so any agent worth his salt would insist that it overrule making the other clause moot. A player with an injury history that calls for a vesting clause is not going to have enough leverage in the FA market to get an opt out/in. This is poor AI and real life logic.

Unless we can show several real life contracts that have these options in the same year, I'd submit that the contract module be corrected so that it can't happen.

NoOne · 12-31-2016, 01:26 PM

if you don't get an email you can go to the player's profile, and any option choice should be available in the Available Actions dropdown menu.

i know the arbitration screen is useful, but the Salaries report in team home will give all the info you need to make sure you don't miss anything. if they change vesting (or whatever is off) options at a later date that's great too, but until then you'll need a plan b.

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mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	i believe so. Can't recall exactly if it's an email or something to the GM/Manager. i think it was around the time of arbitration. Had it happen to one of my stars pitchers in my last season, but i can't recall exact circumstances. But i knew before FA filings i had to find a replacement. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

12-22-2016, 06:51 PM	#4
Marsupilami Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 328	in my online league, 1 player had a Vesting Option (which was met) and an opt out. After the Vesting was met, i never received a decision about the opt out (other teams had players opt out). could there be an oversight? while im happy that he stays, i just want to make sure that everything worked as it was supposed to. __________________ ABL 2020 - Brewers

12-22-2016, 07:55 PM	#7
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,601	It should happen on the first day of the offseason, right after the WS. That is when team option decisions are due. I would imagine the same timeframe applies. __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

12-22-2016, 07:28 PM	#6
Winnipeg59 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,022	Yes. You will receive a message stating the player has opted to stay with your team. Just had it happen.

12-23-2016, 02:39 PM	#9
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,423	But isn't the idea behind the vesting option that it's automatically triggered? And logically, if the player really cared about the ability to opt-out above everything else, he wouldn't have agreed to a vesting option that could potentially take that choice away from him. __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

12-31-2016, 01:26 PM	#12
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	if you don't get an email you can go to the player's profile, and any option choice should be available in the Available Actions dropdown menu. i know the arbitration screen is useful, but the Salaries report in team home will give all the info you need to make sure you don't miss anything. if they change vesting (or whatever is off) options at a later date that's great too, but until then you'll need a plan b.