Large number of superstars players not coming through the draft

Cole · 06-01-2016, 11:51 PM

I simmed 50 years in a fictional test league (24 teams) and I found an unusual discovery...

Of the 45 people inducted into the Hall of Fame over that time, 15 of them were either into the league as an international free agent, or just showed up and signed a minor league deal with the team they were with - meaning, a third of the HOFers weren't even from the draft.

To me that seems oddly high. I only have 'generate international amateur free agents' at 'default (24 per year).

Granted, I haven't played a ton of solo OOTP the last few versions but I am wondering if anyone else has witnessed this?

marc5477 · 06-05-2016, 07:28 AM

I noticed that international armatures are insanely good as well. I just turn off all international stuff. As for draft vs signed, the AI stinks to high hell with contract and prospect management. It is a weakness that goes back at least 4 years (when i started playing ootp). They also cannot manage finances or their own team makeup very well forcing them (often) to sign average players in the off season at insane markups that sometimes match or surpass star to superstar level salaries. All this has been brought up before and what you are seeing is pretty normal in this game. Still waiting for better AI... otherwise I love this game.

USF · 06-05-2016, 09:04 AM

We have seen better raw potential players through INT FA as well in our fictional league.

grmagne · 06-05-2016, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole

I simmed 50 years in a fictional test league (24 teams) and I found an unusual discovery...

Of the 45 people inducted into the Hall of Fame over that time, 15 of them were either into the league as an international free agent, or just showed up and signed a minor league deal with the team they were with - meaning, a third of the HOFers weren't even from the draft.

To me that seems oddly high. I only have 'generate international amateur free agents' at 'default (24 per year).

Granted, I haven't played a ton of solo OOTP the last few versions but I am wondering if anyone else has witnessed this?

I've noticed this too. Whenever I look at the league's top 10 prospects, usually 7-8 are from international free agency and only a few draftees.

GoBucsGo · 06-05-2016, 10:49 AM

I took a few months off from this game to see if this issue, and the issue of star players signing 1 year deals every off-season is fixed. I see they're still the same.

I honestly don't think they know how to fix these issues yet. I'll see if they're remedied in 18, but I definitely won't be buying day one again. This has been my least enjoyable ootp experience yet.

Spanish Lefty · 06-05-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by grmagne

I've noticed this too. Whenever I look at the league's top 10 prospects, usually 7-8 are from international free agency and only a few draftees.

That's because, I think, there's a bug in the 100 prospect list. It comes out at the beginning of the season and when the International Draft Pool is announced, they get into it, but many of them disappear in the next year's prospect list. It happens too with independent league signees.

sprague · 06-05-2016, 03:20 PM

I've been noticing a lot of the best rated players, especailly hitters, all come from Int Free agents. It is why i have turned that feature off.

However, this could in fact be a bit of truth in that a lot of the really good young hitters in the game came from Int FA and not out of the basic North America draft...
Should look into that first i guess. Top 40 players today. How many were really drafted, how many came as int free agents.

PSUColonel · 06-05-2016, 04:29 PM

This appears to be a serious issue...has it been reported?

PSUColonel · 06-05-2016, 04:34 PM

Question: Are the players established int free agents?, Amatuer free agents? both?

Is there a way of knowing this?

jpeters1734 · 06-05-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spanish Lefty

That's because, I think, there's a bug in the 100 prospect list. It comes out at the beginning of the season and when the International Draft Pool is announced, they get into it, but many of them disappear in the next year's prospect list. It happens too with independent league signees.

This is why I use the dynamic list. If it's static, then you'll see those issues with indy signings

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole

I simmed 50 years in a fictional test league (24 teams) and I found an unusual discovery...

Of the 45 people inducted into the Hall of Fame over that time, 15 of them were either into the league as an international free agent, or just showed up and signed a minor league deal with the team they were with - meaning, a third of the HOFers weren't even from the draft.

To me that seems oddly high. I only have 'generate international amateur free agents' at 'default (24 per year).

Granted, I haven't played a ton of solo OOTP the last few versions but I am wondering if anyone else has witnessed this?

Yeah, I've also turned off my IFA for my solo leagues

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Question: Are the players established int free agents?, Amatuer free agents? both?

Is there a way of knowing this?

It's the discoveries and IFA

vladdy16 · 06-05-2016, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sprague

However, this could in fact be a bit of truth in that a lot of the really good young hitters in the game came from Int FA and not out of the basic North America draft...
Should look into that first i guess. Top 40 players today. How many were really drafted, how many came as int free agents.

This is my thinking as well. You guys that are making the complaint, what's your reasoning for thinking the ratio is unrealistic?

marc5477 · 06-07-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This appears to be a serious issue...has it been reported?

This issue goes back a ways and like most AI issues, have generally not been addressed.

Not to hijack the thread, but for instance, a few years back, I took injury numbers from the worst year in MLB history and compared it to my league on low injury setting and basically proved that injuries cant be accurate. Did it change anything? nope lol. Still love this game but AI fixes seem to take a while probably because any small change to it will have widespread effect and they might be happy with the way it is now. If you look at my game right now, i have 7... yes 7 starters that have missed at least 2 months each. 5 of them have missed more than 3 months each. Anyway, report it but at least the international issue is easy to solve. Just turn it off lol.

Edit: Make that 9 players. My starting catcher just went out for 7 months and my closer 7-8 weeks hahaha

jpeters1734 · 06-07-2016, 12:11 PM

I'm curious about your injury findings. I have always found high to be very realistic

Rain King · 06-07-2016, 03:28 PM

Someone with more time than I currently have should go through this list and tally up the numbers of how the players got into professional baseball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_M..._All-Star_Game

RchW · 06-07-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by marc5477

This issue goes back a ways and like most AI issues, have generally not been addressed.

Snipped injury part

Which issue? I'm quite sure PSUColonel was referring to good players not coming from the draft.

I wasn't going to post because I haven't played much v17 but FWIW in my 90 year league the top 20, 10 pitchers 10 batters have 1 int FA and 1 scout discovery. The remainder are from the draft. It may not apply if this is strictly a v17 issue, but... ...

jpeters1734 · 06-07-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Someone with more time than I currently have should go through this list and tally up the numbers of how the players got into professional baseball.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_M..._All-Star_Game

i just did the AL side and counted 7 that were undrafted FA. The NL has 4. 2 total were Cuban defectors.

06-01-2016, 11:51 PM	#1
Cole Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick Posts: 2,685	Large number of superstars players not coming through the draft I simmed 50 years in a fictional test league (24 teams) and I found an unusual discovery... Of the 45 people inducted into the Hall of Fame over that time, 15 of them were either into the league as an international free agent, or just showed up and signed a minor league deal with the team they were with - meaning, a third of the HOFers weren't even from the draft. To me that seems oddly high. I only have 'generate international amateur free agents' at 'default (24 per year). Granted, I haven't played a ton of solo OOTP the last few versions but I am wondering if anyone else has witnessed this?

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06-07-2016, 03:28 PM	#14
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,323	Someone with more time than I currently have should go through this list and tally up the numbers of how the players got into professional baseball. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_M..._All-Star_Game Last edited by Rain King; 06-07-2016 at 03:41 PM.

06-05-2016, 07:28 AM	#2
marc5477 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 146	I noticed that international armatures are insanely good as well. I just turn off all international stuff. As for draft vs signed, the AI stinks to high hell with contract and prospect management. It is a weakness that goes back at least 4 years (when i started playing ootp). They also cannot manage finances or their own team makeup very well forcing them (often) to sign average players in the off season at insane markups that sometimes match or surpass star to superstar level salaries. All this has been brought up before and what you are seeing is pretty normal in this game. Still waiting for better AI... otherwise I love this game.

06-05-2016, 09:04 AM	#3
USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,088	We have seen better raw potential players through INT FA as well in our fictional league.

06-05-2016, 10:49 AM	#5
GoBucsGo Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 278 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I took a few months off from this game to see if this issue, and the issue of star players signing 1 year deals every off-season is fixed. I see they're still the same. I honestly don't think they know how to fix these issues yet. I'll see if they're remedied in 18, but I definitely won't be buying day one again. This has been my least enjoyable ootp experience yet.

06-05-2016, 03:20 PM	#7
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,949	I've been noticing a lot of the best rated players, especailly hitters, all come from Int Free agents. It is why i have turned that feature off. However, this could in fact be a bit of truth in that a lot of the really good young hitters in the game came from Int FA and not out of the basic North America draft... Should look into that first i guess. Top 40 players today. How many were really drafted, how many came as int free agents.

06-05-2016, 04:29 PM	#8
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,143	This appears to be a serious issue...has it been reported?

06-05-2016, 04:34 PM	#9
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,143	Question: Are the players established int free agents?, Amatuer free agents? both? Is there a way of knowing this?