Do managers consider pitcher fatigue?

damonrusst · 05-12-2016, 09:00 PM

I'm playing GM only and my manager keeps putting in pitchers that are below 50 and 60% rested who proceed to blow the game for me, even though I have perfectly capable 100% rested relievers on the bench.

He seems to follow the chart no matter how tired they are, if a guy is listed as 7 or later, he comes in in the 7th even if he is exhausted. My closer is probably going to get injured because he keeps putting him in even though he needs a rest.

Is there a setting I need to tweak to get them to use the secondary relievers and rest these guys? It's getting ridiculous. We're losing too many games because of this.

I'm playing where I control all the transactions but let my manager (sparky anderson) handle lineups and pitching staff, then I watch the games play out while doing other things.

Any advice would be appreciated.

MrWideFrame · 05-12-2016, 09:06 PM

You can go into player strategy and bench the fatigued pitchers for a day.

nvm I see you let the manager control lineups

pstrickert · 05-12-2016, 09:06 PM

Hmm. This is an interesting observation. I'd like to know the answer, too. I've often thought the AI is too rigid in late-inning situations.

damonrusst · 05-12-2016, 09:27 PM

Since I posted the first time, I let another game play out, same thing again, turned a one run lead into a 5 run loss in one inning and now my setup guy, who was tired and gave up the first run before injuring himself, is out for 7 weeks.

damonrusst · 05-12-2016, 09:36 PM

Where is player strategy?

MrWideFrame · 05-12-2016, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by damonrusst

Where is player strategy?

You can right click a player and choose set game strategy or it should be available in the roster and management section.

Elf Marine · 05-13-2016, 12:50 PM

I'm doing the same thing. I have one or two starters that he seems to love to the point of exhausting them. There was a day off once so he skipped the #5 and went to the #1. From them on the order is out of whack and he is using #1 and #5 (who are the two best) after three or four days rest a lot and the others I never have a clue when they will be pitching. I have been waiting for the All-Star game to see if it is straightened out then.

The Wolf · 05-13-2016, 12:53 PM

Two words, one of them hyphenated: 7-day lineups.

BIG17EASY · 05-13-2016, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Two words, one of them hyphenated: 7-day lineups.

7-Day Lineups have nothing to do with bullpen decisions.

BIG17EASY · 05-13-2016, 01:04 PM

I've posted in the suggestions thread the last couple years asking that the team strategy screen include some sort of setting that automatically benches pitchers below a certain fatigue level. I play day-by-day and always go into the player strategy screen and bench any reliever below 60% and sometimes higher if my bullpen is mostly rested.

Coltrane · 05-13-2016, 02:42 PM

I think I'm just going to start playing as GM AND Manager. I personally believe my AI managers in this game are all out to destroy me in any way possible. I have nightmares about Joe Cronin slipping through my bedroom window late at night and suffocating me with a Wally the Green Monster doll.

The Wolf · 05-13-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

7-Day Lineups have nothing to do with bullpen decisions.

But they have a lot to do with the AI pitching only two starters, which one guy complained about.

The Wolf · 05-13-2016, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltrane

I think I'm just going to start playing as GM AND Manager. I personally believe my AI managers in this game are all out to destroy me in any way possible. I have nightmares about Joe Cronin slipping through my bedroom window late at night and suffocating me with a Wally the Green Monster doll.

Well, he was a pretty bad guy, so who knows? Keep your window locked.

damonrusst · 05-14-2016, 08:39 PM

So looks like my only option is to do player strategy for the tired relievers. I'll see if that works. I would like to see some setting not to use pitchers below a certain percent of rest as well, unless they are the only option.

PSUColonel · 05-31-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWideFrame

You can go into player strategy and bench the fatigued pitchers for a day.

nvm I see you let the manager control lineups

Does the AI do this? If not, this is not. Viable option IMO

PSUColonel · 05-31-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Two words, one of them hyphenated: 7-day lineups.

Again if the AI can't..neither should you IMO

PSUColonel · 05-31-2016, 12:31 PM

The real problem here is the logic, which needs upgrading

BIG17EASY · 05-31-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Does the AI do this? If not, this is not. Viable option IMO

I don't know if it's a hard rule, but the AI has never used one of my pitchers who is fatigued below 50 percent, even in an extra-inning game. My guess is it is not a hard rule, though. But I don't think that should stop us from having the option. There are a lot of things the user can do that the AI can't, some that benefit the user, some that benefit the AI.

jdw31158 · 05-31-2016, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by damonrusst

Since I posted the first time, I let another game play out, same thing again, turned a one run lead into a 5 run loss in one inning and now my setup guy, who was tired and gave up the first run before injuring himself, is out for 7 weeks.

Maybe you should fire this manager. He sounds sadistic. Maybe you can find somebody else who is less rigid in handling pitchers.

smiller · 05-31-2016, 05:14 PM

I've always disliked the AI decision to bring in your closer in a non-closer situation when you have other relievers available.

05-12-2016, 09:06 PM	#2
MrWideFrame Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	You can go into player strategy and bench the fatigued pitchers for a day. nvm I see you let the manager control lineups Last edited by MrWideFrame; 05-12-2016 at 09:07 PM.

05-13-2016, 01:04 PM	#10
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	I've posted in the suggestions thread the last couple years asking that the team strategy screen include some sort of setting that automatically benches pitchers below a certain fatigue level. I play day-by-day and always go into the player strategy screen and bench any reliever below 60% and sometimes higher if my bullpen is mostly rested. Last edited by BIG17EASY; 05-13-2016 at 01:35 PM.

05-12-2016, 09:00 PM	#1
damonrusst Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 470	Do managers consider pitcher fatigue? I'm playing GM only and my manager keeps putting in pitchers that are below 50 and 60% rested who proceed to blow the game for me, even though I have perfectly capable 100% rested relievers on the bench. He seems to follow the chart no matter how tired they are, if a guy is listed as 7 or later, he comes in in the 7th even if he is exhausted. My closer is probably going to get injured because he keeps putting him in even though he needs a rest. Is there a setting I need to tweak to get them to use the secondary relievers and rest these guys? It's getting ridiculous. We're losing too many games because of this. I'm playing where I control all the transactions but let my manager (sparky anderson) handle lineups and pitching staff, then I watch the games play out while doing other things. Any advice would be appreciated.

05-12-2016, 09:06 PM	#3
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,002	Hmm. This is an interesting observation. I'd like to know the answer, too. I've often thought the AI is too rigid in late-inning situations.

05-12-2016, 09:27 PM	#4
damonrusst Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 470	Since I posted the first time, I let another game play out, same thing again, turned a one run lead into a 5 run loss in one inning and now my setup guy, who was tired and gave up the first run before injuring himself, is out for 7 weeks.

05-12-2016, 09:36 PM	#5
damonrusst Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 470	Where is player strategy?

05-13-2016, 12:50 PM	#7
Elf Marine Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 70	I'm doing the same thing. I have one or two starters that he seems to love to the point of exhausting them. There was a day off once so he skipped the #5 and went to the #1. From them on the order is out of whack and he is using #1 and #5 (who are the two best) after three or four days rest a lot and the others I never have a clue when they will be pitching. I have been waiting for the All-Star game to see if it is straightened out then.

05-13-2016, 02:42 PM	#11
Coltrane Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2015 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 228	I think I'm just going to start playing as GM AND Manager. I personally believe my AI managers in this game are all out to destroy me in any way possible. I have nightmares about Joe Cronin slipping through my bedroom window late at night and suffocating me with a Wally the Green Monster doll.

05-14-2016, 08:39 PM	#14
damonrusst Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 470	So looks like my only option is to do player strategy for the tired relievers. I'll see if that works. I would like to see some setting not to use pitchers below a certain percent of rest as well, unless they are the only option.

05-31-2016, 12:31 PM	#17
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,139	The real problem here is the logic, which needs upgrading

05-31-2016, 05:14 PM	#20
smiller Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Pittsboro NC Posts: 430	I've always disliked the AI decision to bring in your closer in a non-closer situation when you have other relievers available.