Real players who got out of shape in OOTP

SaoMagnifico · 05-24-2016, 04:03 PM

It's 2028 in my current playthrough, and I just noticed that 38-year-old Freddie Freeman (who recorded his 2,500th career hit last year) has ballooned to 295 pounds, making him the heaviest player in the MLB. Big Freddie has a speed rating of 1, as you might expect, and he's more of a platoon player these days. He's with Boston, so they might have him on the Panda diet...

Has anyone else seen anything like this in their games? Some weight fluctuation is typical, but wow, Freddie really let himself go.

Moe_Rahn · 05-24-2016, 06:21 PM

I haven't checked in my current game of 17, but in past versions I've seen Jason Heyward, Salvador Perez, and Matt Adams all top 300 pounds (okay, the last one is at least believable).

walt526 · 05-24-2016, 07:01 PM

I had Buster Posey up to 285 around 2026 or so. I had moved him from C to 3B to 1B to DH in previous seasons.

NoOne · 05-25-2016, 12:49 PM

does it actually impact anything or is it just aesthetic?

same question for height, really. i used to think it did, but i see plenty of short pitchers keep their velocity.

Padreman · 05-25-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

does it actually impact anything or is it just aesthetic?

same question for height, really. i used to think it did, but i see plenty of short pitchers keep their velocity.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ht-weight.html

NoOne · 05-25-2016, 02:25 PM

summarized info:

so, it looks like it has no real direct effect of any importance to playing the game. a shorter pitcher gets less stamina or velocity or whatever - that part isn't important to understanding what's happening... that's the only direct effect i read in that thread, and it only is relevant at creation.

it's possible that there may be somethign similar for tall or short batters regarding avoid k's / eye / defense etc, but it's not the heighth that causes the effect, how it changes the ratings at creation is the only influence, just like a short pitcher.

a player gains weight when their defensive ratings start to decline, but the weight gain doesn't cause anything, it's just changed to jive with age and decline in skill.

so, as long as the ratings are high, ignore height and weight completely.

Bub13 · 05-25-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

so, it looks like it has no real direct effect of any importance to playing the game...

Seems right, esp given that there's a catcher in my current sim who is 5'11" and 300 lbs, and he's an all-star.

MrBojangles · 05-25-2016, 08:56 PM

Just gives me false hope that I "coulda' been great..."

lionbacker · 05-26-2016, 08:45 AM

That ballooned up Jason Heyward face gen made my day!

Hammercraft · 05-26-2016, 09:19 AM

OMG I had no idea this happened! That Jason Heyward facegen - rofl!

Kent814 · 05-26-2016, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

summarized info:

so, it looks like it has no real direct effect of any importance to playing the game. a shorter pitcher gets less stamina or velocity or whatever - that part isn't important to understanding what's happening... that's the only direct effect i read in that thread, and it only is relevant at creation.

it's possible that there may be somethign similar for tall or short batters regarding avoid k's / eye / defense etc, but it's not the heighth that causes the effect, how it changes the ratings at creation is the only influence, just like a short pitcher.

a player gains weight when their defensive ratings start to decline, but the weight gain doesn't cause anything, it's just changed to jive with age and decline in skill.

so, as long as the ratings are high, ignore height and weight completely.

I once had 5'5" dude who weighed like 140 lbs who threw 99 and was the best starter in the AL for 10 years

rudel.dietrich · 05-26-2016, 10:26 AM

I had a 5'7 150 lb DH from Guatemala who was a god awful fielder and had a speed somewhere in the 30s (out of 100)

But he was an otherworldly hitter. He did not make it to the big leagues until age 26 due to dumb AI and being stuck in a foreign league (this universe had a Cuban league with an 80 game season He had 131 hits and 44 HR in his final season in that league.
But when he did come over he hit 391 HR in 7.5 seasons and had 130 BBs in three seasons and hit over .350 in four seasons.
He retired at age 34 for no real reason at all.
I forced the game to accept him into the HOF also including his work in Cuba which was a AAAA+ league

Anyways, height and weight mean nothing but he has a fun player. A tiny ball of pure muscle with no other skills except an OPS + of 168

One more fun fact
In his rookie reason at the ML level he had 53 RBIs in a single month.
IIRC that would break the current AL record but be shy of the real MLB record

NoOne · 05-26-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kent814

I once had 5'5" dude who weighed like 140 lbs who threw 99 and was the best starter in the AL for 10 years

exactly, he had some sort of negative impact on various ratings when created (as stated by ootp themselves), but it doesn't actually affect them after that. the chance of him losing velocity was the same as others, his aging/development all went through the same calculations as anyone else relative to work ethic and any other relative personal rating, etc etc...

anecdotal evidence is not proof, but between enough of those and the official ootp comment about it, it's obvious enough. i used to worry about pitcher height.... eventually i ignored that due to experience, but the eye-test is far from accurate and precise.

Moe_Rahn · 05-27-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammercraft

OMG I had no idea this happened! That Jason Heyward facegen - rofl!

Would you believe he remained a regular starter until 2030? He slashed .272/.373/.454 in 540 PAs in his age 41 season in that universe, while still lumbering around right field five days a week.

NoOne · 05-28-2016, 01:16 PM

it's somethign i try to do, but not sure if it matters...

when they get old i like to play them less in the field (DH etc), but i don't think it actually affects aging/change of ratings etc. i might as well just keep throwing them out there, if competent.

like what moe said.. along with my own anecdotal experiences (NOT EVIDENCE)... i'm starting to believe that it's a complete random process or at the very least not tied to playing time in any way shape or form. so, don't be scared of "overworking" an old player. i simply don't believe it's in the game that way anymore.

05-24-2016, 04:03 PM	#1
SaoMagnifico Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 144	Real players who got out of shape in OOTP It's 2028 in my current playthrough, and I just noticed that 38-year-old Freddie Freeman (who recorded his 2,500th career hit last year) has ballooned to 295 pounds, making him the heaviest player in the MLB. Big Freddie has a speed rating of 1, as you might expect, and he's more of a platoon player these days. He's with Boston, so they might have him on the Panda diet... Has anyone else seen anything like this in their games? Some weight fluctuation is typical, but wow, Freddie really let himself go.

05-24-2016, 06:21 PM	#2
Moe_Rahn Bat Boy Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 4	I haven't checked in my current game of 17, but in past versions I've seen Jason Heyward, Salvador Perez, and Matt Adams all top 300 pounds (okay, the last one is at least believable).

05-24-2016, 07:01 PM	#3
walt526 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 28	I had Buster Posey up to 285 around 2026 or so. I had moved him from C to 3B to 1B to DH in previous seasons.

05-25-2016, 12:49 PM	#4
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,259 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	does it actually impact anything or is it just aesthetic? same question for height, really. i used to think it did, but i see plenty of short pitchers keep their velocity.

05-25-2016, 02:25 PM	#6
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,259 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	summarized info: so, it looks like it has no real direct effect of any importance to playing the game. a shorter pitcher gets less stamina or velocity or whatever - that part isn't important to understanding what's happening... that's the only direct effect i read in that thread, and it only is relevant at creation. it's possible that there may be somethign similar for tall or short batters regarding avoid k's / eye / defense etc, but it's not the heighth that causes the effect, how it changes the ratings at creation is the only influence, just like a short pitcher. a player gains weight when their defensive ratings start to decline, but the weight gain doesn't cause anything, it's just changed to jive with age and decline in skill. so, as long as the ratings are high, ignore height and weight completely.

05-25-2016, 08:56 PM	#8
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	Just gives me false hope that I "coulda' been great..."

05-26-2016, 08:45 AM	#9
lionbacker Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 47	That ballooned up Jason Heyward face gen made my day!

05-26-2016, 09:19 AM	#10
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 729	OMG I had no idea this happened! That Jason Heyward facegen - rofl!

05-26-2016, 10:26 AM	#12
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I had a 5'7 150 lb DH from Guatemala who was a god awful fielder and had a speed somewhere in the 30s (out of 100) But he was an otherworldly hitter. He did not make it to the big leagues until age 26 due to dumb AI and being stuck in a foreign league (this universe had a Cuban league with an 80 game season He had 131 hits and 44 HR in his final season in that league. But when he did come over he hit 391 HR in 7.5 seasons and had 130 BBs in three seasons and hit over .350 in four seasons. He retired at age 34 for no real reason at all. I forced the game to accept him into the HOF also including his work in Cuba which was a AAAA+ league Anyways, height and weight mean nothing but he has a fun player. A tiny ball of pure muscle with no other skills except an OPS + of 168 One more fun fact In his rookie reason at the ML level he had 53 RBIs in a single month. IIRC that would break the current AL record but be shy of the real MLB record

05-28-2016, 01:16 PM	#15
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,259 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	it's somethign i try to do, but not sure if it matters... when they get old i like to play them less in the field (DH etc), but i don't think it actually affects aging/change of ratings etc. i might as well just keep throwing them out there, if competent. like what moe said.. along with my own anecdotal experiences (NOT EVIDENCE)... i'm starting to believe that it's a complete random process or at the very least not tied to playing time in any way shape or form. so, don't be scared of "overworking" an old player. i simply don't believe it's in the game that way anymore.