Opening Day 2016 Rosters

Squonk · 04-03-2016, 07:16 PM

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Hey guys .. I checked out the forums extensively here .. even over on the Mods section .. but I don't know where to look. Need your advice.

I wonder if anybody has a roster mod where it officially and accurately has the 2016 Opening Day rosters for Major League Baseball. I don't really care if it has the 7 and under Little League bench players in Lodi, Ohio.

Just the Majors.

Thank you in advance.

Sq

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slugga27 · 04-03-2016, 09:52 PM

Download today's patch...

Squonk · 04-04-2016, 01:21 AM

OK, did that. It's close, it's real close.

For the Tribe, for example, there's about three mistakes. One is major in that Cody Anderson is a starter for the big club and Trevor Bauer got sent to the pen. Bauer is starting in the set. There's a few others .. Soto got released .. stuff like that. It's close.

I just figured .. with the HYPER accurate way these guys approach this that .. it would incredibly obvious that *SNAP* >>righthere<< it would be a SNAPSHOT of exactly how the Opening Day of 2016 looked. Then, what happened after that would be much, much less important in the roster sets. Especially for a game like this. I see a lot of this here. They have incredible accuracy for the 1956 Wednesday through Saturday series between Framingham and Norfolk and then miss the big picture entirely. That happens a lot with baseball nerds. They miss the big picture. Get too wrapped up in the tiny little minutiae. And, to their credit, they get that right. And then miss out on the whole big thing.

I found that the case with the last several versions of the game. Many times, and I have a ton of screenshots I gathered to send to Markus but .. so many times with recent versions .. the game misses the big picture. As in, the sum is not valid. All the PARTS are valid. Incredibly so. But, it just doesn't ADD UP. That could be done immensely better. I think I was up to 56 screenshots over various seasons to show how ... pitchers are amazing .. batters are right on .. but the team is mediocre. Or, the other way around. The big picture .. the sum .. the total .. it wasn't adding up and I found it invalid .. the results .. invalid. So, therefore, it was not worth my time anymore to invest in the program.

The trade AI, the financials .. everything .. is good. Real good. But .. this Opening Day stuff is kind of a symptom of what I have seen over the last few versions. The big picture, the net results .. it's off.

And I thought with today being OPENING DAY IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL .. and this being THIS YEAR'S edition of OOTP that somebody .. would be hyper accurate with a perfect *SNAP* shot of this exact moment in time so we could take *THAT* starting file as our starting point. A;l the time people put in to files after this is less valid and valuable. The Opening Day Roster set should be The Gold Standard, THAT'S the one that is worth incredible amounts and should be The One.

So, that's why I asked. But, even after your suggestion, I found it a bit wanting.

It's close. It's real close.

It's like the entire concept of OOTP itself the last several years.

Gets every little thing right except The Big Picture.

NCBeachBum · 04-04-2016, 01:29 AM

Yeah, those rosters appear, to me, to be about 3-4 days out of date. I'd imagine we'll see one of those separate roster only patches pretty soon, though. I seem to recall that being what happened last year.

And what have you got against all those poor 7-year-olds stuck in Lodi again, man?

Ron. · 04-04-2016, 01:30 AM

The rosters aren't going to be exactly accurate because the roster moves are ultimately going to be controlled by AI managers and GMs that aren't exactly analogous to their real life counterparts.

tgreitsma · 04-04-2016, 01:47 AM

This is usually very accurate:
MLB Depth Charts | RosterResource.com

The Game · 04-04-2016, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron.

The rosters aren't going to be exactly accurate because the roster moves are ultimately going to be controlled by AI managers and GMs that aren't exactly analogous to their real life counterparts.

yeah what he said. Once Markus gets done doing their edits the AI will take over and make moves that they want to do. I have ZERO problem with this. Almost impossible to have everyone exactly where they are on OD IRL.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-04-2016, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Game

yeah what he said. Once Markus gets done doing their edits the AI will take over and make moves that they want to do. I have ZERO problem with this. Almost impossible to have everyone exactly where they are on OD IRL.

Yes, we cannot force the AI to put a player exactly where we want them. All we can do is tweak ratings until the AI gets close to what it is in real life.

NCBeachBum · 04-04-2016, 05:34 AM

All very true about the AI, but there are also a few late moves of other sorts that aren't yet in there... He's right about that. Like the Braves releasing Bourn and Bonifacio a couple of days back.

vegaspomeranians · 04-04-2016, 06:23 AM

Has the Top 100 prospects/30 top prospects per organization ratings been fixed? I only ask because the starting set of rosters has Lucas Giolito rated behind 20 something other pitchers. Same goes for Corey Seager for his rating/ranking for batters.

The Wolf · 04-04-2016, 12:25 PM

I think that we have received the MLB best rosters ever in 17, and I am constantly amazed at the trivia people find to complain about.

bigsmooth · 04-04-2016, 12:52 PM

I agree, this is a great game --- and we constantly complain that we want more all the time. The roster set looks very good to me. Are the ratings perfect - probably not, but understand it is a game. If you want roster tweak made - go into the game and adjust them yourself. I simulated a few seasons and they looked very good to me!

RchW · 04-04-2016, 01:25 PM

Not sure we can expect these guys to hit a moving target. Only 8 teams have played so far and roster moves continue. There is another opening day today

With respect to value received, one could look to other games having 2015 rosters just perfect.

The Wolf · 04-04-2016, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsmooth

I agree, this is a great game --- and we constantly complain that we want more all the time. The roster set looks very good to me. Are the ratings perfect - probably not, but understand it is a game. If you want roster tweak made - go into the game and adjust them yourself. I simulated a few seasons and they looked very good to me!

Exactly! I have done the same thing, and they look good.

Mat · 04-04-2016, 10:27 PM

yes, rosters are great this year.

vegaspomeranians · 04-05-2016, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Exactly! I have done the same thing, and they look good.

That's fine for offline sims. For online leagues we're stuck with whatever ratings we're given unless the commish edits ratings which he/she shouldn't do unless there's a good reason to do so.

The Wolf · 04-06-2016, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vegaspomeranians

That's fine for offline sims. For online leagues we're stuck with whatever ratings we're given unless the commish edits ratings which he/she shouldn't do unless there's a good reason to do so.

Huh? Offline or online, we are all "stuck" with the same ratings unless the game itself changes them or somebody changes them with an editor.

Doc_Brown · 04-06-2016, 09:57 PM

I know the last few years the PECOTA system has been used for rating players and that it sometimes gets players wrong. Off the top of my head I know that Trout exceeded his PECOTA projections and I'm sure there were guys PECOTA thought we going to end up with a 326/399/564 line and that player ended up hitting 60 points lower.

So for that reason the rosters are never going to be "right" for the reason that everyone has different views on what ratings players should have or what projection system should be used.

mgom27 · 04-06-2016, 11:55 PM

Just take control of Minor League Teams then AL can't make moves. Another problem is Assistant GM Trading people who are untouchable.

haveband · 04-07-2016, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squonk

OK, did that. It's close, it's real close.

For the Tribe, for example, there's about three mistakes. One is major in that Cody Anderson is a starter for the big club and Trevor Bauer got sent to the pen. Bauer is starting in the set. There's a few others .. Soto got released .. stuff like that. It's close.

I just figured .. with the HYPER accurate way these guys approach this that .. it would incredibly obvious that *SNAP* >>righthere<< it would be a SNAPSHOT of exactly how the Opening Day of 2016 looked. Then, what happened after that would be much, much less important in the roster sets. Especially for a game like this. I see a lot of this here. They have incredible accuracy for the 1956 Wednesday through Saturday series between Framingham and Norfolk and then miss the big picture entirely. That happens a lot with baseball nerds. They miss the big picture. Get too wrapped up in the tiny little minutiae. And, to their credit, they get that right. And then miss out on the whole big thing.

I found that the case with the last several versions of the game. Many times, and I have a ton of screenshots I gathered to send to Markus but .. so many times with recent versions .. the game misses the big picture. As in, the sum is not valid. All the PARTS are valid. Incredibly so. But, it just doesn't ADD UP. That could be done immensely better. I think I was up to 56 screenshots over various seasons to show how ... pitchers are amazing .. batters are right on .. but the team is mediocre. Or, the other way around. The big picture .. the sum .. the total .. it wasn't adding up and I found it invalid .. the results .. invalid. So, therefore, it was not worth my time anymore to invest in the program.

The trade AI, the financials .. everything .. is good. Real good. But .. this Opening Day stuff is kind of a symptom of what I have seen over the last few versions. The big picture, the net results .. it's off.

And I thought with today being OPENING DAY IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL .. and this being THIS YEAR'S edition of OOTP that somebody .. would be hyper accurate with a perfect *SNAP* shot of this exact moment in time so we could take *THAT* starting file as our starting point. A;l the time people put in to files after this is less valid and valuable. The Opening Day Roster set should be The Gold Standard, THAT'S the one that is worth incredible amounts and should be The One.

So, that's why I asked. But, even after your suggestion, I found it a bit wanting.

It's close. It's real close.

It's like the entire concept of OOTP itself the last several years.

Gets every little thing right except The Big Picture.

I typically try and avoid these types of posts because this has been discussed and explained A MILLION TIMES.

I laugh at your issue with Cleveland. Why? Because in order to get Bauer as a RP and Anderson to start ahead of him, we'd have to do two things. 1. Severely underrate Bauer's P ratings to the point the game accepts him as a RP or 2. Change his stamina so regardless of ratings, the game would accept him as a RP and never again start him. Now if we'd done either of those things, what would your response then have been. "Bauer's rated too low" or "How come Bauer's stamina is at 40?".

As mentioned by someone else here, Markus created this really cool thing called Commissioner mode where you can do whatever you'd like with Bauer and Anderson..make 'em SS if you wanted. And as far as Soto, Giovanni Soto was designated for assignment doesn't mean he was released.

Given the games complex code, I am pretty happy with the way the rosters looked in the last patch, but the guys and I are constantly working on them to always improve.

I don't want to come off as the big jerk around here, but there are way too many posts about an issue (or lack thereof) that has been mentioned EVERY single time there's a new version. Markus has posted this many times over the years, as have I, Lukas, InjuryLog and countless others. You can hate me all you want, but my team does a heckuva lot of work for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to discuss why Bauer's a SP not a RP, there's adult ways to do it... Do you now get the Big Picture?

04-03-2016, 07:16 PM	#1
Squonk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 52	Opening Day 2016 Rosters .. Hey guys .. I checked out the forums extensively here .. even over on the Mods section .. but I don't know where to look. Need your advice. I wonder if anybody has a roster mod where it officially and accurately has the 2016 Opening Day rosters for Major League Baseball. I don't really care if it has the 7 and under Little League bench players in Lodi, Ohio. Just the Majors. Thank you in advance. Sq .. Last edited by Squonk; 04-03-2016 at 07:17 PM. Reason: cuz I'm sloppy, so sloppy

04-04-2016, 01:29 AM	#4
NCBeachBum All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 1,049	Yeah, those rosters appear, to me, to be about 3-4 days out of date. I'd imagine we'll see one of those separate roster only patches pretty soon, though. I seem to recall that being what happened last year. And what have you got against all those poor 7-year-olds stuck in Lodi again, man? __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

04-04-2016, 05:34 AM	#9
NCBeachBum All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 1,049	All very true about the AI, but there are also a few late moves of other sorts that aren't yet in there... He's right about that. Like the Braves releasing Bourn and Bonifacio a couple of days back. __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

04-04-2016, 01:25 PM	#13
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Not sure we can expect these guys to hit a moving target. Only 8 teams have played so far and roster moves continue. There is another opening day today With respect to value received, one could look to other games having 2015 rosters just perfect. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-06-2016, 11:55 PM	#19
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,533	Just take control of Minor League Teams then AL can't make moves. Another problem is Assistant GM Trading people who are untouchable. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

04-03-2016, 09:52 PM	#2
slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,272	Download today's patch...

04-04-2016, 01:21 AM	#3
Squonk Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 52	OK, did that. It's close, it's real close. For the Tribe, for example, there's about three mistakes. One is major in that Cody Anderson is a starter for the big club and Trevor Bauer got sent to the pen. Bauer is starting in the set. There's a few others .. Soto got released .. stuff like that. It's close. I just figured .. with the HYPER accurate way these guys approach this that .. it would incredibly obvious that SNAP >>righthere<< it would be a SNAPSHOT of exactly how the Opening Day of 2016 looked. Then, what happened after that would be much, much less important in the roster sets. Especially for a game like this. I see a lot of this here. They have incredible accuracy for the 1956 Wednesday through Saturday series between Framingham and Norfolk and then miss the big picture entirely. That happens a lot with baseball nerds. They miss the big picture. Get too wrapped up in the tiny little minutiae. And, to their credit, they get that right. And then miss out on the whole big thing. I found that the case with the last several versions of the game. Many times, and I have a ton of screenshots I gathered to send to Markus but .. so many times with recent versions .. the game misses the big picture. As in, the sum is not valid. All the PARTS are valid. Incredibly so. But, it just doesn't ADD UP. That could be done immensely better. I think I was up to 56 screenshots over various seasons to show how ... pitchers are amazing .. batters are right on .. but the team is mediocre. Or, the other way around. The big picture .. the sum .. the total .. it wasn't adding up and I found it invalid .. the results .. invalid. So, therefore, it was not worth my time anymore to invest in the program. The trade AI, the financials .. everything .. is good. Real good. But .. this Opening Day stuff is kind of a symptom of what I have seen over the last few versions. The big picture, the net results .. it's off. And I thought with today being OPENING DAY IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL .. and this being THIS YEAR'S edition of OOTP that somebody .. would be hyper accurate with a perfect SNAP shot of this exact moment in time so we could take THAT starting file as our starting point. A;l the time people put in to files after this is less valid and valuable. The Opening Day Roster set should be The Gold Standard, THAT'S the one that is worth incredible amounts and should be The One. So, that's why I asked. But, even after your suggestion, I found it a bit wanting. It's close. It's real close. It's like the entire concept of OOTP itself the last several years. Gets every little thing right except The Big Picture.

04-04-2016, 01:30 AM	#5
Ron. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148	The rosters aren't going to be exactly accurate because the roster moves are ultimately going to be controlled by AI managers and GMs that aren't exactly analogous to their real life counterparts.

04-04-2016, 01:47 AM	#6
tgreitsma Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Windsor, ON, Canada Posts: 119	This is usually very accurate: MLB Depth Charts \| RosterResource.com

04-04-2016, 06:23 AM	#10
vegaspomeranians Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 109	Has the Top 100 prospects/30 top prospects per organization ratings been fixed? I only ask because the starting set of rosters has Lucas Giolito rated behind 20 something other pitchers. Same goes for Corey Seager for his rating/ranking for batters.

04-04-2016, 12:52 PM	#12
bigsmooth Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 437	I agree, this is a great game --- and we constantly complain that we want more all the time. The roster set looks very good to me. Are the ratings perfect - probably not, but understand it is a game. If you want roster tweak made - go into the game and adjust them yourself. I simulated a few seasons and they looked very good to me!

04-04-2016, 10:27 PM	#15
Mat All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 652	yes, rosters are great this year.

04-06-2016, 09:57 PM	#18
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	I know the last few years the PECOTA system has been used for rating players and that it sometimes gets players wrong. Off the top of my head I know that Trout exceeded his PECOTA projections and I'm sure there were guys PECOTA thought we going to end up with a 326/399/564 line and that player ended up hitting 60 points lower. So for that reason the rosters are never going to be "right" for the reason that everyone has different views on what ratings players should have or what projection system should be used.