What's left in Griffey?

birdsofprey02 · 03-06-2003, 05:00 PM

Anyone check out MLB headlines today with possibilities of the Orioles obtaining Ken Griffey Jr. What do you think about that? Camden Yards would definitely be kind do junior.

Dwolfson20 · 03-06-2003, 05:03 PM

Answer to the question you posed in the topic:

SoxWin · 03-06-2003, 05:16 PM

A sour attitude and bad hammy's.

Rich

AngelinOF · 03-06-2003, 05:37 PM

Well its kinda funny that the GAB was basically built around his strong points and Adam Dunn will probably get more use out of it the 2/3 years that he plays for Cincinnati.

fantom1979 · 03-06-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by birdsofprey02
What's left in Griffey?

jor31 · 03-06-2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by SoxWin
A sour attitude and bad hammy's.

Rich

lol

Geiiga · 03-07-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by AngelinOF
Well its kinda funny that the GAB was basically built around his strong points

They did the same thing with Safeco. It's good that Junior's going somewhere that they don't want a new stadium.

atarizx3 · 03-07-2003, 12:31 PM

lou pinella's "little lou"?

YoungEagle · 03-07-2003, 12:58 PM

How can the Orioles be thinking of picking up $29 Mil?

scoobz0202 · 03-07-2003, 10:42 PM

Well, You guys seen Griffey this Spring Training? He has been hitting great. Hit 3 homers today, 1 a grand slam. Now he has 4 homers in... I think 7 games. He has been doing great. I say give him this season and see how he pans. I guess he has been working on his leg strength harder then ever this offseason to get it back, I say give him this year.

The Oz · 03-08-2003, 12:26 PM

I gotta agree with scoobz. I would really have to see him stink it up another year to write him off. He was just too good before to write him off so quickly. It's obvious he won't be what he once was, but I think he will be at least a borderline all-star for years to come.
Now trading him? I can't see anyone taking on his premier player salary without getting premier player quality... except the Orioles. They love overpriced veterans.

OCBLcommish · 03-08-2003, 12:30 PM

You really can't base a guys worth on what he does in spring training. Some guys don't put out a 100% effort in the spring (some even less than 70%). Not to mention, you've got All-Stars tacking hacks against 21-year old kids who haven't pitched above A Ball.
If you went by spring training numbers, Mike Greenwell would've been a Hall of Famer.

Griffey Jr. is a cancer to his team. Reds were a playoff team before he showed up, they've been cellar dwellers since. He was a great individual player but he won't ever get a World Series ring. He's a cancer.

SimSportsWorld · 03-08-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by OCBLcommish
Griffey Jr. is a cancer to his team. Reds were a playoff team before he showed up, they've been cellar dwellers since. He was a great individual player but he won't ever get a World Series ring. He's a cancer.

Well, I think that is going a tad too far. Griffey led the Mariners to the top of the AL along with the Yankees and Indians while he was there.

The Reds "no playoff" push has not been 100% Ken Griffey. For instance-

Sean Casey- Average and Homeruns have dropped every year since 1999, and he finished with a pathetic 6 homeruns, and .261 average in 2002.

Starting Pitching- Where is it?

Catchers- Do they have any?

SS- Barry Larkin is always injured, and they have no one to replace him. Pokey Reese was horrible

The Reds simply have a lack of talent to make it to the show. They over achieved the year they almost made the playoffs, and now they are back to average. The stars on this team, such as Adam Dunn do not have enough game experience or patience, as he struck out 170 times last year.

Therefore, blaming it on the greatest hitter of the 90's is a little too harsh

Dwolfson20 · 03-08-2003, 03:13 PM

Adam Dunn has no patience?! Um, have you checked his walk totals recently? If anything, he's too patient!

AngelinOF · 03-08-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by OCBLcommish
Griffey Jr. is a cancer to his team. Reds were a playoff team before he showed up, they've been cellar dwellers since. He was a great individual player but he won't ever get a World Series ring. He's a cancer. [/B]

They also had a completly different manager (and actually they haven't finished last; 5th place 2000 and 3rd place last year, and they were in 1st place for quite a bit of the season until Boone yanking his staters too quick began to catch up to the bullpen), McKeon got alot more out of the Reds then Boone can ever dream of, mainly because he didn't over manage every single situation. The Reds terrible play over the last couple of years has to do more with the change of managers then anything else.

I'm not giving up on Griffey, but I think the owner of the Reds is going to do the same thing that Brown did to the Bengals now that he's got his new stadium built, it why I think Dunn will be gone once he's either arbitration eligible or his contract come up.

holyroller · 03-08-2003, 11:59 PM

Best hitter of the 90's? Paging Mr. Bonds, Mr. Barry Bonds.

Crapshoot · 03-09-2003, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by OCBLcommish

Griffey Jr. is a cancer to his team. Reds were a playoff team before he showed up, they've been cellar dwellers since. He was a great individual player but he won't ever get a World Series ring. He's a cancer.

you cant actually believe half the crap Phil Rogers and co feed do you ? You play hurt, not through injuries, and Griffey has been bothered by the latter throught his Reds career. Try getting hundreds of idiotic sportswriters calling you overrated or a cancer and then imagine what your reaction to them would have been.

KcJockBoy · 03-09-2003, 01:46 AM

I agree Griffey is a bad attitude in the club house but you also have to look at all the pressure put on him and i think he handled it all the wrong way. I think the best thing for him was these trade talks, I think it will light a fire under him like we have seen a glimpse of in spring training. I think he finally returns to 40hr at least this year and finally gets the media back off his rear end.

Frankie

jmaness84 · 03-09-2003, 12:21 PM

Griffey and Grant Hill have a lot of similarities now. In the 90s they were considered the best. When they changed new teams they have been terrible b/c of injuries (well in Griffs first year he did ok) It looks like Hill will never get it back, can Griffey?? I should have never bought all of those griffey rookie cards..damn, damn, damn. However i think Griffey will get it back and make the Hall of Fame. He only needs like 40 homers. Think of the kind of numbers he would have had if he didnt have those awful seasons!! Those 3 homers he hit yesterday are good signs.

03-06-2003, 05:00 PM	#1
birdsofprey02 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Baltimore Posts: 182	What's left in Griffey? Anyone check out MLB headlines today with possibilities of the Orioles obtaining Ken Griffey Jr. What do you think about that? Camden Yards would definitely be kind do junior. __________________ -Mike

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SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	A sour attitude and bad hammy's. Rich __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

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OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	You really can't base a guys worth on what he does in spring training. Some guys don't put out a 100% effort in the spring (some even less than 70%). Not to mention, you've got All-Stars tacking hacks against 21-year old kids who haven't pitched above A Ball. If you went by spring training numbers, Mike Greenwell would've been a Hall of Famer. Griffey Jr. is a cancer to his team. Reds were a playoff team before he showed up, they've been cellar dwellers since. He was a great individual player but he won't ever get a World Series ring. He's a cancer. __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

03-06-2003, 05:37 PM	#4
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	Well its kinda funny that the GAB was basically built around his strong points and Adam Dunn will probably get more use out of it the 2/3 years that he plays for Cincinnati.

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YoungEagle Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wayne, MI Posts: 364	How can the Orioles be thinking of picking up $29 Mil?

03-07-2003, 10:42 PM	#10
scoobz0202 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Celina, Ohio Posts: 969	Well, You guys seen Griffey this Spring Training? He has been hitting great. Hit 3 homers today, 1 a grand slam. Now he has 4 homers in... I think 7 games. He has been doing great. I say give him this season and see how he pans. I guess he has been working on his leg strength harder then ever this offseason to get it back, I say give him this year.

03-08-2003, 12:26 PM	#11
The Oz Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis, Mo Posts: 71	I gotta agree with scoobz. I would really have to see him stink it up another year to write him off. He was just too good before to write him off so quickly. It's obvious he won't be what he once was, but I think he will be at least a borderline all-star for years to come. Now trading him? I can't see anyone taking on his premier player salary without getting premier player quality... except the Orioles. They love overpriced veterans.

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Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	Adam Dunn has no patience?! Um, have you checked his walk totals recently? If anything, he's too patient! __________________

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03-09-2003, 01:46 AM	#18
KcJockBoy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 166	I agree Griffey is a bad attitude in the club house but you also have to look at all the pressure put on him and i think he handled it all the wrong way. I think the best thing for him was these trade talks, I think it will light a fire under him like we have seen a glimpse of in spring training. I think he finally returns to 40hr at least this year and finally gets the media back off his rear end. Frankie __________________ Asahi2-St.Louis Cardinals CBLR-St.Louis Cardinals

03-09-2003, 12:21 PM	#19
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	Griffey and Grant Hill have a lot of similarities now. In the 90s they were considered the best. When they changed new teams they have been terrible b/c of injuries (well in Griffs first year he did ok) It looks like Hill will never get it back, can Griffey?? I should have never bought all of those griffey rookie cards..damn, damn, damn. However i think Griffey will get it back and make the Hall of Fame. He only needs like 40 homers. Think of the kind of numbers he would have had if he didnt have those awful seasons!! Those 3 homers he hit yesterday are good signs.