Can we get those annoying red/green arrows eliminated?

progen · 02-26-2016, 05:53 PM

Love the game of course, but those arrows that show up next to my minor leaguers are so annoying. I play stats only, so have eliminated the star ratings, and would be nice if we had an option to remove the arrows. I don't normally follow them anyway, but was just checking on this for 17.

Giants44 · 02-26-2016, 10:42 PM

this thread made me fire up the game to check because I dont even remember seeing them anymore, although I did remember them.

I must have conditioned myself to ignore them because when I loaded the game they are definitely there, but obviously I learned to ignore them.

seems like a reasonable thing to be a toggle on\off

Lukas Berger · 02-26-2016, 10:46 PM

I suspect this could be modded incredibly quickly and easily. Just find the arrow graphics in the OOTP install and replace them with a white/blank graphic.

endgame · 02-26-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I suspect this could be modded incredibly quickly and easily. Just find the arrow graphics in the OOTP install and replace them with a white/blank graphic.

Looked at 16 and it appears they're called down and up in the images file of the specific skin folder, so Lukas is right, provided you can, or have someone who can, edit the graphic and know how to reload the skin files.

Hammercraft · 02-26-2016, 11:37 PM

Are these arrows not significant? When i see them I try to move guys around. Is that a waste of time?

OakDragon · 02-27-2016, 02:48 AM

IIRC, they're your coaches' recommendations of where they should go. You can, of course, make those decisions yourself in opposition to their views.

RchW · 02-27-2016, 03:48 AM

I see no compelling reason to eliminate them.

PSUColonel · 02-27-2016, 05:30 AM

The only issue I see (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is I'm not sure the arrows are actually based on any one or group of recommendations, and rather, just a general AI process. In other words, if you were allowing the AI to control promotions/demotions, it's what it would be doing. If you go to your minor league development report however, some players are listed as "possibly ready" while others might be listed as "ready" or "probably ready".

BusterKing · 02-27-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I see no compelling reason to eliminate them.

I agree. If it's made optional leave them on by default.

tward13 · 02-27-2016, 07:24 AM

They can be helpful for those who don't obsess over their minors. I look at them as a suggestion I can follow or not.

progen · 02-27-2016, 07:28 AM

Thanks for all the replies. OOTP community is solid with responses as always! Not a deal breaker for me by any means, and as some pointed out, I tend to ignore them as well and make judgments on my own.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-27-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I suspect this could be modded incredibly quickly and easily. Just find the arrow graphics in the OOTP install and replace them with a white/blank graphic.

It is but if you have Steam you have to re-drop them every time there is an update. I gave up and just ignore them.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-27-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammercraft

Are these arrows not significant? When i see them I try to move guys around. Is that a waste of time?

Yes. The arrows will only destroy your organizations morale.

endgame · 02-27-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Looked at 16 and it appears they're called down and up in the images file of the specific skin folder, so Lukas is right, provided you can, or have someone who can, edit the graphic and know how to reload the skin files.

Another option, maybe, is to just delete the files. I did this with the diagonal layover that was part of 16's original opening screen with no ill effect.

mitchkenn · 02-27-2016, 01:14 PM

I tend to use them as a guideline, not always taking the advice they offer, but sometimes it's helped look at someone I may have missed in the minors. So i'd like to keep them, for whatever that's worth.

RchW · 02-27-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

I tend to use them as a guideline, not always taking the advice they offer, but sometimes it's helped look at someone I may have missed in the minors. So i'd like to keep them, for whatever that's worth.

Me too.

BMD · 02-27-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

The only issue I see (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is I'm not sure the arrows are actually based on any one or group of recommendations, and rather, just a general AI process. In other words, if you were allowing the AI to control promotions/demotions, it's what it would be doing. If you go to your minor league development report however, some players are listed as "possibly ready" while others might be listed as "ready" or "probably ready".

I let AI control minor league promotion/demotion while I control all signings and releases. I still have the arrows. Not as many, but I still do. Usually it is because a player is being blocked so the AI is not calling them up when they could, or I am too thin at a position so the AI has to put a player at a level they should not be at to fill a void. I do not like to micromanage my minor league rosters too much so this is a great tool for me. When I see an OF at AA with a green arrow I know I have to look at AAA and decide if I really need those guys on my roster or should I release at least one. On the other hand, when I have a RP with a red arrow, I know I should probably check the FA for a 35 year old pitcher with some gas in the tank willing to take a minor league contract. Once I hav edone my job of signing and releasing, the arrows will start disappearing. I think it is a great time saving feature.

Hammercraft · 02-27-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Yes. The arrows will only destroy your organizations morale.

Are you being serious? This has an effect on player morale?

byzeil · 02-27-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammercraft

Are you being serious? This has an effect on player morale?

The actual 'arrows' have no affect but demoting players will have a negative affect on some player's morale, not all but many, and promoting often improves a player's morale.

To me they just sort of act has a pointer to someone I should take a look at. I often don't follow the advice but it can draw attention to someone that needs to go up or down (and if down maybe outright released).

actionjackson · 02-27-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammercraft

Are you being serious? This has an effect on player morale?

Tongue is firmly in cheek here. I think H_P should change his handle to Cheeky_Monkey.

02-26-2016, 05:53 PM	#1
progen All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,535 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Can we get those annoying red/green arrows eliminated? Love the game of course, but those arrows that show up next to my minor leaguers are so annoying. I play stats only, so have eliminated the star ratings, and would be nice if we had an option to remove the arrows. I don't normally follow them anyway, but was just checking on this for 17.

02-26-2016, 10:42 PM	#2
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	this thread made me fire up the game to check because I dont even remember seeing them anymore, although I did remember them. I must have conditioned myself to ignore them because when I loaded the game they are definitely there, but obviously I learned to ignore them. seems like a reasonable thing to be a toggle on\off __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

02-27-2016, 03:48 AM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I see no compelling reason to eliminate them. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

02-27-2016, 01:14 PM	#15
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	I tend to use them as a guideline, not always taking the advice they offer, but sometimes it's helped look at someone I may have missed in the minors. So i'd like to keep them, for whatever that's worth. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

02-26-2016, 10:46 PM	#3
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,211	I suspect this could be modded incredibly quickly and easily. Just find the arrow graphics in the OOTP install and replace them with a white/blank graphic.

02-26-2016, 11:37 PM	#5
Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 728	Are these arrows not significant? When i see them I try to move guys around. Is that a waste of time?

02-27-2016, 02:48 AM	#6
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	IIRC, they're your coaches' recommendations of where they should go. You can, of course, make those decisions yourself in opposition to their views.

02-27-2016, 05:30 AM	#8
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,140	The only issue I see (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is I'm not sure the arrows are actually based on any one or group of recommendations, and rather, just a general AI process. In other words, if you were allowing the AI to control promotions/demotions, it's what it would be doing. If you go to your minor league development report however, some players are listed as "possibly ready" while others might be listed as "ready" or "probably ready".

02-27-2016, 07:24 AM	#10
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	They can be helpful for those who don't obsess over their minors. I look at them as a suggestion I can follow or not.

02-27-2016, 07:28 AM	#11
progen All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,535 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Thanks for all the replies. OOTP community is solid with responses as always! Not a deal breaker for me by any means, and as some pointed out, I tend to ignore them as well and make judgments on my own.