Trading for prospects impossible?

rays1118 · 12-12-2015, 01:17 AM

ok so ive been having an extremely hard time moving ANYONE from my team. i am playing as the Rangers. i am trying to rebuild but teams value prospects way too much in this game and it isnt realistic. i offer Yu Darvish for a top 10 prospect and they wont agree to it. i can offer my top 3 prospects and Darvish for just 1 of theirs and they wont do it. not 1 team will.... and trading is on normal. any tips or way to see which team is interested?

SirMichaelJordan · 12-12-2015, 01:34 AM

Trading in this game is complex so without context of what is going on in your league its not fair to call something unrealistic because your trade was rejected.

For starters, how many games are you into your season and is the team you are trading with in a win now situation or battling for a pennant and do they even need a pitcher?

ravinhood · 12-12-2015, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rays1118

ok so ive been having an extremely hard time moving ANYONE from my team. i am playing as the Rangers. i am trying to rebuild but teams value prospects way too much in this game and it isnt realistic. i offer Yu Darvish for a top 10 prospect and they wont agree to it. i can offer my top 3 prospects and Darvish for just 1 of theirs and they wont do it. not 1 team will.... and trading is on normal. any tips or way to see which team is interested?

I play the Rangers and I traded the entire team for new blood. I got good players too. Are you sure your trading is on normal? and make sure trading with the ai is turned on. The masochists play with this feature turned off.

Man I got the likes of Zimmerman, Belt, Pedroia, Townsend, (I traded Profar away for Tulineski (sp) and then traded back for him lol and traded Tulenski when his contract dollars got too high. I made some good deals in Free Agecy also. I got that great pitcher who played for the Dodgers this year forget his name atm. I did so much trading that first year or two it was funny. Making 5 man trades was nothing to get the man I wanted. I traded the farm away so to speak.

) I pulled a lot of good player from the left over free agency pool as well and used them in trades. I traded for so many good players it's hardly fun playing the year out as I win like 120 games and the World Series. I wish I could manage another team but the Rangers are my team in the game and real life. I have to be the manager.

I only set the lineups I let the AI do all that other stuff. Well and I also do the trading in the majors. Oh an I got Strasburg too.

) He's been my ace and two years in a row over 20 wins....backed by a couple of Rangers pitchers that they traded away and got stuck in the minors. Loux and Buckel who also have tocuhed on 20 wins or just below it two years in a row.

I've since moved up to harder trading and NOT favored prospects because that's really harmful to the AI because a prospect is just that and a LOT of them never make the stats they portray they will. Now I almost have to give up a vet every trade and they won't take these loser vets with a lot of salary anymore unless I trade them before they get to that high salary.

I have a system now (yes probably an exploit but hey the developer didn't find it soooo.)

I make contracts with low salary for the number of years I want the player and then beef it up 10x it's value in the final year which I also get as a "team option" whether to keep him or not. Many times I have to make these high salaries for a couple to 3 years but I never have to eat it but the AI teams sure do. Tuloinski is making 25 mil a year in minnesota now. lol

For instance I got Brice Harper for 10 mil a year for like 7 years and 35 mil for that 8th and 9th year. He jumped on that like a can of wurms. I'll get the best years of his career and some AI player will get his best salaries. lol

Brad I think it is, should look into that. It's too easy to make contracts like that and never have to pay and get the best years of a players career.

Oh and Andrus is playing for the Redsox now.

I got Pedroia for him. My infield fielding stats are kinda neat. My 2b, ss and 3b all have 79's now.

Townsend has become a backup to Belt and a rookie I just got. He still dings em though when I let him play. Which is usually only against RHers.

I just got a hot rookie to replace Shammels in LF an I'm goin for a hard hitting 3b this year. I got Phil Williams there now and Rivera is my SS.

The most fun of this game is all the trading and gathering a great team. Usually once I've done this and won the world series a few times I'll turn them over to the AI to destroy. Every good team I've made the AI has destroyed it within 3 years and it's back in the cellar again. lol Then I grab it again and do it all over again.

Lazy Horse · 12-12-2015, 07:11 AM

I just upgraded from '15 during my team's off-season and trades do seem a little more difficult in this version. A few things to keep in mind:

Pay attention to the other team's focus (in parenthesis) in the trade drop down. A team that is rebuilding is less likely to take on a large contract in exchange for one of their top prospects.

Take a look at what the other team needs. There is a handy color-coordinated position chart in the middle of the trade screen that you can use as a guide, but you should just go into their roster screens and evaluate their team yourself. Also, check to see if they have anyone on the trade block. Taking one of the other team's bad contracts might give them a little more financial room to trade.

And when you're building trades, you can sort of gauge what the other team thinks of each player you add by their reaction when you first add them to the trade. There are a few responses, I don't remember them word for word but starting with the least interested they are something like;

- "You're kidding, right?"

-" This is a bad deal... I won't discus this"

-" This is a bad deal... offer us more"

So if you add a player to a deal and their reaction stays the same, the team is not really interested in that player. If you add a player and their reaction changes to a more positive response then they value that player somewhat and you can build from there. Also, if you think you're close, don't forget the "make this work now" button. Sometimes they'll just want some scrub player that you would have never thought about.

NoOne · 12-13-2015, 03:27 PM

on the trade screen, try to add players to the package that the team has weaknesses. it's color coded just like the ratings. look for the red and gold colored dots.

some positions create more value than others, but supply and demand always has to be considered.

you can be more thorough by going through each time and mining value... i consider this way too labor intensive for my tastes.

try finding multiple targets using player lists and filters that fit your need, whether specific or just restocking minors. then compare different costs to acquire each and then make an informed decision.

due to a plethora of possibilities, similar players can have drastically different costs in a trade, and it changes constantly. you might be able to get that same costly player the following year more cheaply.

isn't darvish 29-30? he is getting up there in years and he is going to be expensive to retain, if his contract isn't unwieldly already. he isn't as strong of a trading chip as you might think. is he low 70's pot/ovr?

as a prospect gets nearer to the MLB they start getting very expensive. the risk is significantly less at that point and you must pay for it. a 76/80 SP in AAA is going to cost an insane amount compared to an 18 y.o Short A 76/80 SP

ravinhood · 12-13-2015, 06:32 PM

Kershaw that was the pitchers name I couldn't remember. I got him in Free Agency for a 283 million dollar contract. I paid him like 19 mil the first couple of years and then set his contract to 35mil a year for a total of 9 years. We won the world series and then I dumped him on the Astros when his 35mil a year came up the first time and got a load of stuff from the Astros for him. lol This game is too easy to exploit. I wish Markus would look into stuff like that.

I find you can do this with any player now. Offer him low salaries for the years you want to keep him then add a couple of years with extrodinary wages and put them team option. As long as they are high wages the player doesn't care he's gonna get it from someone somewhere and you won't have to worry about it. lol I've yet to have an AI team turn down an offer for these high wage players as long as they are below 35 years old. Markus should code something that prevents this into the game.

RchW · 12-13-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ravinhood

This game is too easy to exploit. I wish Markus would look into stuff like that.

Play fictional and you wont find it so easy.

ravinhood · 12-13-2015, 06:39 PM

I can do the same thing in fictional. That exploit isn't just regulated to regular season play. It works anywhere.

RchW · 12-13-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ravinhood

I can do the same thing in fictional. That exploit isn't just regulated to regular season play. It works anywhere.

Then you're fixing things. That's your right but don't whine about it.

SirMichaelJordan · 12-13-2015, 06:45 PM

Thats common strategy to backload a contract. Whats making it easy for you to dump these players could be a number of different things.

Like..

Trade difficulty & settings
Lack of talent change randomness.
Settings for AI evaluation.
Aging.

I back load contracts all of the time and most of the time I find myself paying the price later on.

ravinhood · 12-13-2015, 06:56 PM

I play to dump most of my players by age of 30. Perhaps you are waiting too long. I have all the settings on hardest and give the AI all the help it needs with seeing correct ratings except for that scouting feature which I'm trying to find out about now and let them see pure stats and anything else it needs.

This is just an exploit that never got fixed. It's been in OOTP since 2004 when I first got into it. Kershaw still had the talent his bars were across the screen but the Astro AI and I should say the general AI just didn't care about the money all they wanted was Kershaw's talent. I could have put a million dollars in there a year and I wager they would have accepted it as long as they had that much cash on hand. One setting I think I'm going to change is that cash on hand. It's at 10mil now and I can still buy players left and right also. I don't want to hurt the AI though adjusting it too far down. They need that cash for free agency and extensions.

SirMichaelJordan · 12-13-2015, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ravinhood

I play to dump most of my players by age of 30. Perhaps you are waiting too long. I have all the settings on hardest and give the AI all the help it needs with seeing correct ratings except for that scouting feature which I'm trying to find out about now and let them see pure stats and anything else it needs.

This is just an exploit that never got fixed. It's been in OOTP since 2004 when I first got into it. Kershaw still had the talent his bars were across the screen but the Astro AI and I should say the general AI just didn't care about the money all they wanted was Kershaw's talent. I could have put a million dollars in there a year and I wager they would have accepted it as long as they had that much cash on hand. One setting I think I'm going to change is that cash on hand. It's at 10mil now and I can still buy players left and right also. I don't want to hurt the AI though adjusting it too far down. They need that cash for free agency and extensions.

If you dump all of your players by 30 and know they wont be any good by then, it sounds like you need to adjust aging settings...

But if the 30 year olds are still good when you trade them then that is an legit strategy to unload old players for younger guys.

To make that play style more challenging, you'll have to raise the talent change randomness to make prospects less likely a sure thing which will make your play style more of a gamble.

NoOne · 12-14-2015, 02:56 PM

nah, he just isn't emotionally attached to the players. replacing them between 29-35 is smart management. depends on length of the contract, what's available etc...

you probably lose out on a high-quality to prime year or two here and there, but you avoid the fall of a cliff years. somtimes there isn't a suitable replacement but the intent remains.

12-12-2015, 01:17 AM	#1
rays1118 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1	Trading for prospects impossible? ok so ive been having an extremely hard time moving ANYONE from my team. i am playing as the Rangers. i am trying to rebuild but teams value prospects way too much in this game and it isnt realistic. i offer Yu Darvish for a top 10 prospect and they wont agree to it. i can offer my top 3 prospects and Darvish for just 1 of theirs and they wont do it. not 1 team will.... and trading is on normal. any tips or way to see which team is interested?

12-12-2015, 01:34 AM	#2
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,718	Trading for prospects impossible? Trading in this game is complex so without context of what is going on in your league its not fair to call something unrealistic because your trade was rejected. For starters, how many games are you into your season and is the team you are trading with in a win now situation or battling for a pennant and do they even need a pitcher?

12-13-2015, 06:32 PM	#6
ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Kershaw that was the pitchers name I couldn't remember. I got him in Free Agency for a 283 million dollar contract. I paid him like 19 mil the first couple of years and then set his contract to 35mil a year for a total of 9 years. We won the world series and then I dumped him on the Astros when his 35mil a year came up the first time and got a load of stuff from the Astros for him. lol This game is too easy to exploit. I wish Markus would look into stuff like that. I find you can do this with any player now. Offer him low salaries for the years you want to keep him then add a couple of years with extrodinary wages and put them team option. As long as they are high wages the player doesn't care he's gonna get it from someone somewhere and you won't have to worry about it. lol I've yet to have an AI team turn down an offer for these high wage players as long as they are below 35 years old. Markus should code something that prevents this into the game. Last edited by ravinhood; 12-13-2015 at 06:36 PM.

12-13-2015, 06:45 PM	#10
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,718	Trading for prospects impossible? Thats common strategy to backload a contract. Whats making it easy for you to dump these players could be a number of different things. Like.. Trade difficulty & settings Lack of talent change randomness. Settings for AI evaluation. Aging. I back load contracts all of the time and most of the time I find myself paying the price later on.

12-12-2015, 07:11 AM	#4
Lazy Horse Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 36	I just upgraded from '15 during my team's off-season and trades do seem a little more difficult in this version. A few things to keep in mind: Pay attention to the other team's focus (in parenthesis) in the trade drop down. A team that is rebuilding is less likely to take on a large contract in exchange for one of their top prospects. Take a look at what the other team needs. There is a handy color-coordinated position chart in the middle of the trade screen that you can use as a guide, but you should just go into their roster screens and evaluate their team yourself. Also, check to see if they have anyone on the trade block. Taking one of the other team's bad contracts might give them a little more financial room to trade. And when you're building trades, you can sort of gauge what the other team thinks of each player you add by their reaction when you first add them to the trade. There are a few responses, I don't remember them word for word but starting with the least interested they are something like; - "You're kidding, right?" -" This is a bad deal... I won't discus this" -" This is a bad deal... offer us more" So if you add a player to a deal and their reaction stays the same, the team is not really interested in that player. If you add a player and their reaction changes to a more positive response then they value that player somewhat and you can build from there. Also, if you think you're close, don't forget the "make this work now" button. Sometimes they'll just want some scrub player that you would have never thought about.

12-13-2015, 03:27 PM	#5
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,256 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	on the trade screen, try to add players to the package that the team has weaknesses. it's color coded just like the ratings. look for the red and gold colored dots. some positions create more value than others, but supply and demand always has to be considered. you can be more thorough by going through each time and mining value... i consider this way too labor intensive for my tastes. try finding multiple targets using player lists and filters that fit your need, whether specific or just restocking minors. then compare different costs to acquire each and then make an informed decision. due to a plethora of possibilities, similar players can have drastically different costs in a trade, and it changes constantly. you might be able to get that same costly player the following year more cheaply. isn't darvish 29-30? he is getting up there in years and he is going to be expensive to retain, if his contract isn't unwieldly already. he isn't as strong of a trading chip as you might think. is he low 70's pot/ovr? as a prospect gets nearer to the MLB they start getting very expensive. the risk is significantly less at that point and you must pay for it. a 76/80 SP in AAA is going to cost an insane amount compared to an 18 y.o Short A 76/80 SP

12-13-2015, 06:39 PM	#8
ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I can do the same thing in fictional. That exploit isn't just regulated to regular season play. It works anywhere.

12-13-2015, 06:56 PM	#11
ravinhood Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 374 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I play to dump most of my players by age of 30. Perhaps you are waiting too long. I have all the settings on hardest and give the AI all the help it needs with seeing correct ratings except for that scouting feature which I'm trying to find out about now and let them see pure stats and anything else it needs. This is just an exploit that never got fixed. It's been in OOTP since 2004 when I first got into it. Kershaw still had the talent his bars were across the screen but the Astro AI and I should say the general AI just didn't care about the money all they wanted was Kershaw's talent. I could have put a million dollars in there a year and I wager they would have accepted it as long as they had that much cash on hand. One setting I think I'm going to change is that cash on hand. It's at 10mil now and I can still buy players left and right also. I don't want to hurt the AI though adjusting it too far down. They need that cash for free agency and extensions.

12-14-2015, 02:56 PM	#13
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,256 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	nah, he just isn't emotionally attached to the players. replacing them between 29-35 is smart management. depends on length of the contract, what's available etc... you probably lose out on a high-quality to prime year or two here and there, but you avoid the fall of a cliff years. somtimes there isn't a suitable replacement but the intent remains.