Need help setting up feeders

Guru88 · 07-30-2015, 05:19 PM

Hey guys, I just started a new major league game with the standard 30 teams and I have all the default settings still set up, all (7) minor league levels, international leagues, and independent leagues on, I haven't touched anything yet because I am trying to make sure i set my feeder leagues up correctly.. I want to have a normal draft, but I want it to be fed with HS and College players plus any additional players it may need to run smoothly.. My main question is, under this natural setup of the default major league game with all minors and int/ind teams on.. what is the "perfect" or near perfect setup for the feeder system? Thanks in advance.

These are the logos I created for my two feeder systems I wish to create. (feel free to use them if you like)

Thunder · 07-30-2015, 06:16 PM

I have my first feeder league running, so you may get better advice from the more experienced, but here is what I have . .

32 college teams, ages set to 17-20
48 high school teams, ages set to 14-17
Both have 25-man rosters

I have a 24-team majors with a 20-round draft and always have enough players. A 30-team league with a deeper draft obviously will need more. How much more I don't know. It may take another few days, but I'll post the size of my draft when it comes up next.

Per advice I got, after initially stocking the leagues, I set the player creation age at 14/14 for HS and 17/17 for college, but I don't believe it works. Comparing teams from year-to-year shows many players showing up for their first season who are above the minimum age. Even so, I'm having a blast with it.

I have a 50-game schedule for college and 40 for high school, both starting April 1. I went with two-game series for the norm to give teams a chance to play a greater variety of opponents.

battists · 07-30-2015, 06:44 PM

One thing you guys might want to consider (well, especially Thunder since his is fictional):

While it's not super realistic, I have my feeder leagues play their schedules Jan-March. If you can get past the idea that college/HS is playing in the snow in February, it really helps out the major league, because the amateur draft can happen before the regular season starts.

This way, all five of my league levels start in early April. I play 162 games in my ML, and slightly less in my lower leagues. I think it's 144 in AAA and AA, 136 in A and low-A, and 106 in rookie ball.

Thunder · 07-30-2015, 06:56 PM

Interesting. I guess you get more development that way?

After saying it was a waste of time in another thread, I couldn't help but doctor up my college league.

battists · 07-30-2015, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Interesting. I guess you get more development that way?

I suppose I do get more development time. For me, I just find it irritating trying to remember when all of the different leagues start and end, and having to change all of the rosters around in the middle of the season when the draft occurs.

Guru88 · 07-30-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

One thing you guys might want to consider (well, especially Thunder since his is fictional):

While it's not super realistic, I have my feeder leagues play their schedules Jan-March. If you can get past the idea that college/HS is playing in the snow in February, it really helps out the major league, because the amateur draft can happen before the regular season starts.

This way, all five of my league levels start in early April. I play 162 games in my ML, and slightly less in my lower leagues. I think it's 144 in AAA and AA, 136 in A and low-A, and 106 in rookie ball.

that sounds like a great idea! few questions tho.. first.. what day do you start their seasons on in January, and how long are your schedules? What day do you hold the draft on, and have you accounted for the signing period in terms of when the minors season starts and when your deadline is?

I'm going to try this next season.

battists · 07-30-2015, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru88

that sounds like a great idea! few questions tho.. first.. what day do you start their seasons on in January, and how long are your schedules? What day do you hold the draft on, and have you accounted for the signing period in terms of when the minors season starts and when your deadline is?

Good questions. First off, I have played exactly one season in my league, and as a minor league manager, so I am not drafting anyway, so it's possible I haven't set things up in the best possible way.

College teams play 50 games, starting January 2nd. They finish by the first week in March.

High school teams play 40 games, starting February 2nd. They finish by late March.

Things I'm already thinking of changing:

1. Might switch HS to start at the same time as college.
2. Going to turn off playoffs for the HS and college teams. I don't care about their playoffs, and they cause the games to go later into the spring.

Draft is on the 25th of March. There are two months of negotiations, and the rookie leagues start around April 15th. So, players who sign within the first two or so weeks will be available for the start of the season. Players whose contract negotiations drag on will miss the start of the season.

Guru88 · 07-30-2015, 11:19 PM

ok great, that sounds like it's worth giving a crack.. few things I think could improve it, and also the depth of your game...

1. As you said, I agree that you should start the HS ball season on Jan, 2nd or 3rd to go along with the College season opener, that way you can (and you should*) still hold the playoffs for these leagues; the HS playoffs starting in mid to late Feb, finishing maybe in first 10 days to mid march (format coming*), and College World Series playoffs starting in early March, finishing mid-late to late March, with the draft following the conclusion of the college WS about a week or so later, which is still in line for the draft to be held before the season starts and will give you the opportunity to still be able to get your high picks to the levels you want when their respective seasons start (once again depending on how long it takes them to sign on).. now for the ones that take forever to sign.. the short season A ball season starts in June, maybe you could move that back about a month - a month and a half and have that coincide with the finish of the College WS so that your prospects coming off playoff runs, can still get that extra half season under their belt and get prepared for their first full season at higher A ball next year, which basically means you have cleverly had your top college prospects and mid rounders who made the playoffs play an entire seasons worth of games (40/50 HS/Col - 1 to a possible 17 games in the playoffs - and the 80 for short season ball, giving them about 121 - 147 games in their transition season from school to the bigs, which if I'm correct should be perfect for that early development you want right away (if your like me).

2. HS and College playoffs are good for 2 reasons IMO.. in ootp, it gives you a sense of real world feeling sometimes when developing and handling the careers of your players, especially the ones who you draft yourself after hours of looking for "that guy" that will change the face of your franchise.. let's look at two guys here..

GUY A: played four years of HS ball and three years of college ball; has now 7 years worth of stat lines that can tell you the tape of his young career and give you a glimpse of what kind of player he could be.. during this 7 year period, you may see that this guy, while in HS went to two championships, won both and was an MVP for his playoff team a few times (which you won't see next to his name as awards but will be in his history) and while in college, won the WS with his school and may have even won a few league awards along the way.. BUT this guy is not a top 5 or even a top 10 or first round talent but goes on to develop into a respectable big leaguer and has a great career..

GUY B: four years of college ball; has 4 years of stat lines. this guy is a top 5 talent.. but in his history there is nothing to show for his collegiate success.. yes, he's good enough to get drafted number 1 overall, but all you have is stat lines. this guy ends up being a bust, never really turning into what he was projected to be at the college level (RGIII?).

Now, what if guy A was a top 3 talent, and had two HS Chips, a college chip and all the awards and accolades to accompany the young phenom, still has the same career, but look at that story line for guy A.. HS star, college star, and mlb star.. you watched from his first chip to his last as a bench player vet for that young team in thre future with guy B as it's top prospect..

okay sorry I went into story mode lol.. but I think you get the point, playoffs and unique awards make the "story" of a player that much better.. and if his story goes all the way back to his HS days.. that would make for a great hall of fame guy that you saw from a kid.

*playoff format for HS playoffs (in my set-up) ***first two rounds have 1 game series to give all teams equal chances to advance to championships***

Futures Tournament (Round 1) - 1 game playoff against the top 32 teams in HS league... teams are matched by seed # (1 home)

Regional Playoffs (Round 2) - 1 game playoff against 16 remaining teams... matched by seed # progression (1 home)

Division Championships (Round 3) - 3 game playoff against 8 remaining teams... matched by seed # progression (1 away 2 home)

League Championships (Round 4) - 5 game playoff against final 4 teams... matched by seed # progression (1 away 4 home)

National Championship (Round 5) - 7 game series against 2 final teams
home field goes to highest seed. (7 home)

battists · 07-31-2015, 07:44 AM

That's not going to work for my particular setup (I don't have short season, for one), but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Thunder · 08-01-2015, 12:41 PM

Here ya go G88.

I'm in the eighth year of my league (five auto-played seasons) and the draft pool has 1,258 players when only 480 are needed.

That's with 80 total feeder teams.

Note that the draft has a few hundred slugs, who for whatever reason, keep returning to the draft in their old age. By that I mean 22-25 year-olds who were never drafted. Their history says "went undrafted and returned to school" even though they are too old to go back to school by my settings. They don't actually go back to school, I guess they just sit around for another year playing in the Sugar Cane League or whatever.

I don't know why they don't turn into free agents.

scottk1983 · 08-01-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Note that the draft has a few hundred slugs, who for whatever reason, keep returning to the draft in their old age. By that I mean 22-25 year-olds who were never drafted. Their history says "went undrafted and returned to school" even though they are too old to go back to school by my settings. They don't actually go back to school, I guess they just sit around for another year playing in the Sugar Cane League or whatever.

I don't know why they don't turn into free agents.

I started a thread on this same topic and a few people, myself obviously included, believed it to be a bug. I reported it as such in the bug report thread, filed a support ticket and uploaded my league files for the developers to look at, but I never heard back and a fix was never included in any of the patches. All I know for sure is this never happened to me in any of the earlier versions of OOTP and it's kind of annoying.

Here's the topic if you want to read through it:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ree-agent.html

Especially of interest is a rule from MLB which states:

"A player who is eligible to be selected and is passed over by every Club becomes a free agent and may sign with any Club until the player enters, or returns to, a four-year college full-time or enters, or returns to, a junior college."

07-30-2015, 05:19 PM	#1
Guru88 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 20	Need help setting up feeders Hey guys, I just started a new major league game with the standard 30 teams and I have all the default settings still set up, all (7) minor league levels, international leagues, and independent leagues on, I haven't touched anything yet because I am trying to make sure i set my feeder leagues up correctly.. I want to have a normal draft, but I want it to be fed with HS and College players plus any additional players it may need to run smoothly.. My main question is, under this natural setup of the default major league game with all minors and int/ind teams on.. what is the "perfect" or near perfect setup for the feeder system? Thanks in advance. These are the logos I created for my two feeder systems I wish to create. (feel free to use them if you like) Attached Images

07-30-2015, 06:16 PM	#2
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,865	I have my first feeder league running, so you may get better advice from the more experienced, but here is what I have . . 32 college teams, ages set to 17-20 48 high school teams, ages set to 14-17 Both have 25-man rosters I have a 24-team majors with a 20-round draft and always have enough players. A 30-team league with a deeper draft obviously will need more. How much more I don't know. It may take another few days, but I'll post the size of my draft when it comes up next. Per advice I got, after initially stocking the leagues, I set the player creation age at 14/14 for HS and 17/17 for college, but I don't believe it works. Comparing teams from year-to-year shows many players showing up for their first season who are above the minimum age. Even so, I'm having a blast with it. I have a 50-game schedule for college and 40 for high school, both starting April 1. I went with two-game series for the norm to give teams a chance to play a greater variety of opponents. __________________ I like Stats Mostly

07-30-2015, 06:56 PM	#4
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,865	Interesting. I guess you get more development that way? After saying it was a waste of time in another thread, I couldn't help but doctor up my college league. Attached Images __________________ I like Stats Mostly

08-01-2015, 12:41 PM	#10
Thunder Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,865	Here ya go G88. I'm in the eighth year of my league (five auto-played seasons) and the draft pool has 1,258 players when only 480 are needed. That's with 80 total feeder teams. Note that the draft has a few hundred slugs, who for whatever reason, keep returning to the draft in their old age. By that I mean 22-25 year-olds who were never drafted. Their history says "went undrafted and returned to school" even though they are too old to go back to school by my settings. They don't actually go back to school, I guess they just sit around for another year playing in the Sugar Cane League or whatever. I don't know why they don't turn into free agents. __________________ I like Stats Mostly

07-30-2015, 06:44 PM	#3
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	One thing you guys might want to consider (well, especially Thunder since his is fictional): While it's not super realistic, I have my feeder leagues play their schedules Jan-March. If you can get past the idea that college/HS is playing in the snow in February, it really helps out the major league, because the amateur draft can happen before the regular season starts. This way, all five of my league levels start in early April. I play 162 games in my ML, and slightly less in my lower leagues. I think it's 144 in AAA and AA, 136 in A and low-A, and 106 in rookie ball.

07-30-2015, 11:19 PM	#8
Guru88 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 20	ok great, that sounds like it's worth giving a crack.. few things I think could improve it, and also the depth of your game... 1. As you said, I agree that you should start the HS ball season on Jan, 2nd or 3rd to go along with the College season opener, that way you can (and you should) still hold the playoffs for these leagues; the HS playoffs starting in mid to late Feb, finishing maybe in first 10 days to mid march (format coming), and College World Series playoffs starting in early March, finishing mid-late to late March, with the draft following the conclusion of the college WS about a week or so later, which is still in line for the draft to be held before the season starts and will give you the opportunity to still be able to get your high picks to the levels you want when their respective seasons start (once again depending on how long it takes them to sign on).. now for the ones that take forever to sign.. the short season A ball season starts in June, maybe you could move that back about a month - a month and a half and have that coincide with the finish of the College WS so that your prospects coming off playoff runs, can still get that extra half season under their belt and get prepared for their first full season at higher A ball next year, which basically means you have cleverly had your top college prospects and mid rounders who made the playoffs play an entire seasons worth of games (40/50 HS/Col - 1 to a possible 17 games in the playoffs - and the 80 for short season ball, giving them about 121 - 147 games in their transition season from school to the bigs, which if I'm correct should be perfect for that early development you want right away (if your like me). 2. HS and College playoffs are good for 2 reasons IMO.. in ootp, it gives you a sense of real world feeling sometimes when developing and handling the careers of your players, especially the ones who you draft yourself after hours of looking for "that guy" that will change the face of your franchise.. let's look at two guys here.. GUY A: played four years of HS ball and three years of college ball; has now 7 years worth of stat lines that can tell you the tape of his young career and give you a glimpse of what kind of player he could be.. during this 7 year period, you may see that this guy, while in HS went to two championships, won both and was an MVP for his playoff team a few times (which you won't see next to his name as awards but will be in his history) and while in college, won the WS with his school and may have even won a few league awards along the way.. BUT this guy is not a top 5 or even a top 10 or first round talent but goes on to develop into a respectable big leaguer and has a great career.. GUY B: four years of college ball; has 4 years of stat lines. this guy is a top 5 talent.. but in his history there is nothing to show for his collegiate success.. yes, he's good enough to get drafted number 1 overall, but all you have is stat lines. this guy ends up being a bust, never really turning into what he was projected to be at the college level (RGIII?). Now, what if guy A was a top 3 talent, and had two HS Chips, a college chip and all the awards and accolades to accompany the young phenom, still has the same career, but look at that story line for guy A.. HS star, college star, and mlb star.. you watched from his first chip to his last as a bench player vet for that young team in thre future with guy B as it's top prospect.. okay sorry I went into story mode lol.. but I think you get the point, playoffs and unique awards make the "story" of a player that much better.. and if his story goes all the way back to his HS days.. that would make for a great hall of fame guy that you saw from a kid. playoff format for HS playoffs (in my set-up) first two rounds have 1 game series to give all teams equal chances to advance to championships* Futures Tournament (Round 1) - 1 game playoff against the top 32 teams in HS league... teams are matched by seed # (1 home) Regional Playoffs (Round 2) - 1 game playoff against 16 remaining teams... matched by seed # progression (1 home) Division Championships (Round 3) - 3 game playoff against 8 remaining teams... matched by seed # progression (1 away 2 home) League Championships (Round 4) - 5 game playoff against final 4 teams... matched by seed # progression (1 away 4 home) National Championship (Round 5) - 7 game series against 2 final teams home field goes to highest seed. (7 home)

07-31-2015, 07:44 AM	#9
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	That's not going to work for my particular setup (I don't have short season, for one), but hey, whatever floats your boat.