Does Game Overrate Speed?

[Klew1986]

Just curious what others opinions are, but does the game overrate speed? I have seen players who have decent contact ratings and such, but since their speed is above 80, they are rated highly. Where as a player with the same contact ratings, but not much speed isn't rated very well.

Thoughts?

[IsaacR]

What is their defensive ratings?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Klew1986

Just curious what others opinions are, but does the game overrate speed? I have seen players who have decent contact ratings and such, but since their speed is above 80, they are rated highly. Where as a player with the same contact ratings, but not much speed isn't rated very well.

Thoughts?

Can you please post some screenshots? It never occurred to me to make that comparison.

[r0nster]

I have a tendancy to agree to some degree. I have seen a great many players in my 20 plus seasons where the players speed is terrific but they have horrible outfield range with great arms. Its usually those who have great speed that have average to horrible arms LOL.

[NoOne]

the overall and potential ratings are not absolute. they depend alot on your settings - even with 100% scouting. also, whether you have overall/potential relative to all players or relative to position.

you shouldn't use over/pot for any serious decision in a significant way. it's merely there to be a general sense of quality.

some combinations of ratings that equate to 72 are better than some combinations of ratings that equate to 80.

i think this holds true to pitchers in a significant way, and less so for position players.

[Gator]

In my experience, yes the game overates speed, especially when using the star rating syetem.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Gator

In my experience, yes the game overates speed, especially when using the star rating syetem.

So If I use 20-80 scale players will be rated differently? Extremely skeptical. Screenshots showing this would be very useful

[Gator]

My experience is that players with very similar ratings with the exception of speed will get extra star(s) for the speed. You might say that is justified and I might agree, but where the players have ratings that are very low and neither player has a chance to make the bigs, you will often see the speed player given 1.5 stars. IMO, speed alone should not have that effect unless it can be employed by getting on base.

[ra7c7er]

I think the game overrates speed now but I don't think it did in past version. Speed was much rarer even just a few years ago. Speedy players IRL are more common today. So I think the game need to reflect that.

[msupoke]

Originally Posted by Gator

My experience is that players with very similar ratings with the exception of speed will get extra star(s) for the speed. You might say that is justified and I might agree, but where the players have ratings that are very low and neither player has a chance to make the bigs, you will often see the speed player given 1.5 stars. IMO, speed alone should not have that effect unless it can be employed by getting on base.

Speed helps players get on base. It also helps defensively.

[ThePretender]

Speed doesn't help players get on base as much as other attributes though. The game does overrate speed a lot.

[RchW]

I think you guys play a different game than I do. There is not enough speed in the game and way too many of the few fast guys are bad defensively.

Edit

Some shred of evidence would be helpful.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by RchW

Some shred of evidence would be helpful.

I'll start!



I use a 2-8 scale, and guys with 8 speed are pretty rare. In the minors and majors combined, there's only 59 players with 8 speed. That's 59 players out of a total of 6582, which is 0.9%. My AI Eval is set to 10/50/30/10, so stats are the main factor in determining star ratings. And of those 59 players, 16 have potential ratings higher than 2.5 stars (27.1%). Of those 16, only 3 are older than 22, and none are older than 24. They are all either minor leaguers or rising stars. In fact, the oldest player out of the entire 59 is only 26. Clearly, speed drops off with age.



Changing the parameters to include 7's as well as 8's gives us 494 players (7.5% of the league). 45 of those players are rated higher than 2.5 stars (9.1%). Only 3 of those players are 25 or older.



Adding one more filter to only show players over 25 years old, there is just a single highly-rated player - and he's a closer.

After compiling this data, my opinion is that, in my league at least, speed is NOT overrated. With only a small percentage of players having great speed, if it was overrated, I would expect far more than 10% of them to be rated highly. And those ratings are mostly just empty potentials - only a few have lived up to them. From the lack of players over 25, I'm willing to bet that many of those 7's will drop down to 6's or 5's over the course of their career. The ones that have held on to their speed into their late 20's have, overall, not done very well for themselves. In my league, the only case you could make is that speed might be a tad overrated when looking at potential. And that having absolutely top-tier speed carries with it a good chance of being rated highly (25% in this case).

However, it's worth noting my AI Eval setting HEAVILY favors stats. I wouldn't be surprised if someone with a ratings-heavy evaluation setting sees more instances of speed being overrated.

[Lukas Berger]

My take is that, yes, the game overrates speed.

Thing is, rl MLB teams also overrate speed. I don't think the game overrates speed any more than rl teams do, so given that, I'm ok with how things are.