AI plays too many guys out of position?

Leefoo · 04-24-2015, 04:30 PM

Is there any way to prevent this?

For example, I have a guy on one of the teams who is a 79 in CF and an 89 in RF.

He played maybe 3 games at 1b and is a 24 there.

The same team has a RF with similar offensive ratings. He is a 39 in RF.

Yet the AI is playing the really good defensive RF at 1b. They have an average 1bman (50 rating). There is not much diff between the 39 RF and that average 1bman, esp not that much to warrant playing a 24 1bman over him or the 39 RFer.

This happens a lot. I bet I could cite 10-15 examples right now. It'll use a VG SS in LF or at 3b and play a worse SS with not that much to gain in offensive firepower.

Doesn't the AI know how valuable defensive guys are?

Is there something in the settings I can change? Or, do I have to make all the changes manually and tell the AI not to mess with it?
Or.................??

Thx as always.

SirMichaelJordan · 04-24-2015, 04:51 PM

Long time issue. Its better this year but I could give you 30+ examples of this right now if this was a year ago.

The Wolf · 04-24-2015, 05:06 PM

I probably over control my minors manually, with the aid of locking, the Strategy Tab and Force Start, but it seems to work.

OOTPSimmer · 04-24-2015, 06:44 PM

I've been noticing this quite often as well, but I'd assume manually controlling your rosters would help.

ra7c7er · 04-24-2015, 07:25 PM

I've been wondering why the AI picks a few players. Besides a few out of position players the AI loves to keep one or two starter quality players in the reserve roster for those that use a reserve roster. At first I thought it was my manager/coach settings but it isn't just prospects or veterans it seems arbitrary almost. Right now my team has the second best RP on my team on the reserve roster and has several guys who's combined ratings aren't even as good as the guy not getting time. Same happens for one or hitters a year too.

Leefoo · 04-25-2015, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I probably over control my minors manually, with the aid of locking, the Strategy Tab and Force Start, but it seems to work.

I never knew these options existed.

That helps a lot.

Of course, NOW, I have all this work ahead of me....so maybe, THX FOR NOTHIN'!!

Rockfan616 · 04-25-2015, 12:15 PM

Oh yeah, this happens to me a lot too.....on one team Omar Infante was playing LF, even though he's a 2B in RL.....what's up with that?? The other 2B on that team was Howie Kendrick and Ben Zobrist is used as a utility player like normal. Strange how that happens in the game sometimes but it does. On my Red Sox I've got Mookie Betts as my regular CF but the game still has him at 2B as his regular position even though I only have him there occasionally (like once a week or once every two weeks). Alex Guerrero is the regular 2B and he's absolutely RAKING too. Crazy what the game does but it's entertaining at the same time too.

SirMichaelJordan · 04-25-2015, 12:25 PM

I think most of this would be fixed if players had a preferred position.

pstrickert · 04-25-2015, 12:27 PM

Some members of the beta team have had conversations with Markus about this issue. He doesn't really see it as a problem (even if, in these instances, player usage doesn't reflect real life). He thinks (if I understand his argument correctly) that it makes the AI smarter since the AI is making better use of its roster. If I have misunderstood, I apologize; but I think this is the gist of his argument.

ra7c7er · 04-25-2015, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

I think most of this would be fixed if players had a preferred position.

You'd think that would be the set player position option.

I think the AI uses the total sum of a players ratings to set who is the "better" player while users tend to look at only a few traditional qualities. We don't see that as a complete player X is better then Y.

Bigrod · 04-25-2015, 12:39 PM

Quote from Markus
"When you want a player to not switch position, remove the fielding experience of that position. I.e. when the AI wants to play player X in LF when in reality he is supposed to be the starting CF, remove the fielding experience at LF."

SirMichaelJordan · 04-25-2015, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ra7c7er

You'd think that would be the set player position option.

I think the AI uses the total sum of a players ratings to set who is the "better" player while users tend to look at only a few traditional qualities. We don't see that as a complete player X is better then Y.

As far as I l know, the listed position has no effect on the game outside of sorting for stats, roster depth, awards and OVR if you use a specific feature.

Plus setting a position as a GM/Manager is not really a player's preferred position.

CeeBod · 06-11-2015, 10:24 AM

This tends to annoy the hell out of me at first glance, but it usually isn't as big a problem as I think once I look deeper:

Looking at the AI selected lineups for my AAA team, the best rated 3rd baseman is currently shown as the everyday starter at DH, whilst a quality utility player with better than average ratings at CF and 2B, but who rates as 8/100 at 3rd base is shown as the everyday starter at 3B - both against Left and Right handed Pitchers. On seeing this I think "This is grade A bat****-insane!" and I call the AI stupid.

On looking deeper I discover that the utility player has actually been playing so far this season as a utility player - picking up innings at SS, 2B, CF and LF with only 1 start made at 3B, whilst my 3rd baseman has almost exclusively been playing at 3B, just moving to DH occassionally as a way to rest him without losing the big bat - exactly what I would've done if I'd micro managed my minors. So I guess that the AI ignores the Lineup charts even worse than I do when I pick the starters for each game!

04-24-2015, 04:30 PM	#1
Leefoo Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 437	AI plays too many guys out of position? Is there any way to prevent this? For example, I have a guy on one of the teams who is a 79 in CF and an 89 in RF. He played maybe 3 games at 1b and is a 24 there. The same team has a RF with similar offensive ratings. He is a 39 in RF. Yet the AI is playing the really good defensive RF at 1b. They have an average 1bman (50 rating). There is not much diff between the 39 RF and that average 1bman, esp not that much to warrant playing a 24 1bman over him or the 39 RFer. This happens a lot. I bet I could cite 10-15 examples right now. It'll use a VG SS in LF or at 3b and play a worse SS with not that much to gain in offensive firepower. Doesn't the AI know how valuable defensive guys are? Is there something in the settings I can change? Or, do I have to make all the changes manually and tell the AI not to mess with it? Or.................?? Thx as always.

04-24-2015, 04:51 PM	#2
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	AI plays too many guys out of position? Long time issue. Its better this year but I could give you 30+ examples of this right now if this was a year ago. Last edited by SirMichaelJordan; 04-24-2015 at 04:52 PM.

04-24-2015, 06:44 PM	#4
OOTPSimmer Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 65	I've been noticing this quite often as well, but I'd assume manually controlling your rosters would help.

04-24-2015, 07:25 PM	#5
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	I've been wondering why the AI picks a few players. Besides a few out of position players the AI loves to keep one or two starter quality players in the reserve roster for those that use a reserve roster. At first I thought it was my manager/coach settings but it isn't just prospects or veterans it seems arbitrary almost. Right now my team has the second best RP on my team on the reserve roster and has several guys who's combined ratings aren't even as good as the guy not getting time. Same happens for one or hitters a year too.

04-25-2015, 12:15 PM	#7
Rockfan616 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 275	Oh yeah, this happens to me a lot too.....on one team Omar Infante was playing LF, even though he's a 2B in RL.....what's up with that?? The other 2B on that team was Howie Kendrick and Ben Zobrist is used as a utility player like normal. Strange how that happens in the game sometimes but it does. On my Red Sox I've got Mookie Betts as my regular CF but the game still has him at 2B as his regular position even though I only have him there occasionally (like once a week or once every two weeks). Alex Guerrero is the regular 2B and he's absolutely RAKING too. Crazy what the game does but it's entertaining at the same time too.

04-25-2015, 12:25 PM	#8
SirMichaelJordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,716	I think most of this would be fixed if players had a preferred position.

04-25-2015, 12:27 PM	#9
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17,115	Some members of the beta team have had conversations with Markus about this issue. He doesn't really see it as a problem (even if, in these instances, player usage doesn't reflect real life). He thinks (if I understand his argument correctly) that it makes the AI smarter since the AI is making better use of its roster. If I have misunderstood, I apologize; but I think this is the gist of his argument.

04-25-2015, 12:39 PM	#11
Bigrod OOTP Stats Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maine Posts: 3,075	Quote from Markus "When you want a player to not switch position, remove the fielding experience of that position. I.e. when the AI wants to play player X in LF when in reality he is supposed to be the starting CF, remove the fielding experience at LF."

06-11-2015, 10:24 AM	#13
CeeBod Bat Boy Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 17	This tends to annoy the hell out of me at first glance, but it usually isn't as big a problem as I think once I look deeper: Looking at the AI selected lineups for my AAA team, the best rated 3rd baseman is currently shown as the everyday starter at DH, whilst a quality utility player with better than average ratings at CF and 2B, but who rates as 8/100 at 3rd base is shown as the everyday starter at 3B - both against Left and Right handed Pitchers. On seeing this I think "This is grade A bat****-insane!" and I call the AI stupid. On looking deeper I discover that the utility player has actually been playing so far this season as a utility player - picking up innings at SS, 2B, CF and LF with only 1 start made at 3B, whilst my 3rd baseman has almost exclusively been playing at 3B, just moving to DH occassionally as a way to rest him without losing the big bat - exactly what I would've done if I'd micro managed my minors. So I guess that the AI ignores the Lineup charts even worse than I do when I pick the starters for each game!