Owner Goals - Upgrade Position

sonic80 · 04-08-2015, 05:48 PM

Hi everyone, I really enjoy the new OOTP16 game, but I've noticed a couple times that the owner will sometimes wants me to upgrade a peculiar position as one of my season goals. This isn't a problem most of the time, especially when I'm using some scrub at second base or something, but I just got my season goals for my 2018 Red Sox team, and one of them is to upgrade at the right field position. Rusney Castillo is my starting right fielder, and by all measures, he has been a well-above average player in his three seasons on as my full time right fielder.

Since the start of 2015 he's averaged an .842 OPS, .301 AVG, 133 OPS+, 19 Homeruns, and 96 RBIs per season, his defensive ratings in Right Field have been well above average (won gold glove in 2017), and is a 2-time all-star, and only missed the third because he was injured early in the season.

Yet for some reason my owner wants an upgrade at RF, where we are currently listed as the 13th best right fielder.

I've noticed this a few times with other teams as well. When I play as the cardinals, without fail, my owner wants me to upgrade at 1st after the first full season. Sometimes its justified, but sometimes Matt Adams has exceptional seasons, and ranks as one of the better first basemen after the season.

So my question is how exactly does the owner decide when the team needs an upgrade at a position, and what are the criteria for that, because it definitely seems like its not based on their actual performances. I know I don't have to complete his goal, especially if Castillo continues to rake like he has for 3 years, but I'm still curious.

byzeil · 04-08-2015, 06:03 PM

I had my owner give me the goal of upgrading my third baseman but I liked who I had there and thought he would improve so I didn't make any changes. Come the end of the season my 3B had a very good year and the owner congratulated me on upgrading third base by showing patience with the guy I had there.

tedstriker · 04-08-2015, 06:40 PM

You might be able to fool him by signing a good player and setting his position to RF, even though he will be somewhere else in the lineup.

Some of the owner goals do seem odd, but real-life owners have been known to have some mind-boggling requests.

ms2002 · 04-08-2015, 07:23 PM

Yeah, maybe you could interpret it as the owner doesn't like Castillo. As long as you win and make a reasonable profit, the secondary goals really shouldn't matter too much.

MizzouRah · 04-08-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic80

Hi everyone, I really enjoy the new OOTP16 game, but I've noticed a couple times that the owner will sometimes wants me to upgrade a peculiar position as one of my season goals. This isn't a problem most of the time, especially when I'm using some scrub at second base or something, but I just got my season goals for my 2018 Red Sox team, and one of them is to upgrade at the right field position. Rusney Castillo is my starting right fielder, and by all measures, he has been a well-above average player in his three seasons on as my full time right fielder.

Since the start of 2015 he's averaged an .842 OPS, .301 AVG, 133 OPS+, 19 Homeruns, and 96 RBIs per season, his defensive ratings in Right Field have been well above average (won gold glove in 2017), and is a 2-time all-star, and only missed the third because he was injured early in the season.

Yet for some reason my owner wants an upgrade at RF, where we are currently listed as the 13th best right fielder.

I've noticed this a few times with other teams as well. When I play as the cardinals, without fail, my owner wants me to upgrade at 1st after the first full season. Sometimes its justified, but sometimes Matt Adams has exceptional seasons, and ranks as one of the better first basemen after the season.

So my question is how exactly does the owner decide when the team needs an upgrade at a position, and what are the criteria for that, because it definitely seems like its not based on their actual performances. I know I don't have to complete his goal, especially if Castillo continues to rake like he has for 3 years, but I'm still curious.

Yeah, Adams is having a great year for me.. no way I'm trading him.

sonic80 · 04-09-2015, 12:50 AM

As it turned out Castillo had a bad 2018. 95 OPS+, .254 AVG, and spent more than half of the season on the DL. Maybe my owner was on to something...

Dyzalot · 04-09-2015, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tedstriker

You might be able to fool him by signing a good player and setting his position to RF, even though he will be somewhere else in the lineup.

Some of the owner goals do seem odd, but real-life owners have been known to have some mind-boggling requests.

You don't even have to sign anyone new. Just take one of your top players at another position and change them to a left fielder. Your owner will think you upgraded.

rpriske · 04-09-2015, 09:28 AM

I am having a little problem right now where my owner asked me to acquire a 'hometown player'.

I am the Brooklyn Superbas and I traded for Kyle Anderson whose hometown is listed as Brooklyn, NY.

The owner says the closest I have is Dick Braggins from Mercer, PA.

Watsmata4u · 04-09-2015, 12:57 PM

My owner told me to upgrade a position with an all star which I did but I did it early in the season. The owner sent me mail congratulating me for fufilling his goal but at the end of the season he said it wasn't done. Could that be because the player didn't make the all star team after I traded for him?

SodoMojo · 04-09-2015, 02:08 PM

I think one of the key problems is it's round 1 of this being implemented and it currently doesn't look beyond data point A and B as well as most of the goals don't look at the big picture.(or statistics perhaps)

I have a young 3B prospect who looks to be the best hitter on my team for a decade or more. It's his 1st year in the majors, he played a full season and did ok for a 20 year old .276 12 69 with some killer def. In 2 to 3 years he should be a monster and will be more than serviceable until then.

My owner asked me to upgrade at 3B and I did not meet the goal because my owner isn't taking into account potential and how foolish it would be to acquire a top 3B when other positions will be or are in more need.

I have trust in Markus & team to tweak and solidify this feature more as we go. As far as first implementation I think it serves its purpose quite nicely.

OBSL Commish · 04-09-2015, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by byzeil

I had my owner give me the goal of upgrading my third baseman but I liked who I had there and thought he would improve so I didn't make any changes. Come the end of the season my 3B had a very good year and the owner congratulated me on upgrading third base by showing patience with the guy I had there.

My owner did that with me, too. He wanted me to upgrade at LF. I had traded for Joc Pederson and he was ranked 11th at the time. By the end of the season, he was ranked 6th and the owner was satisfied with that result.

geoffmatt17 · 06-03-2015, 02:44 PM

Follow up question: Owner goal is "upgrade CF". Just so happens, my RF is also really good at CF, so I'd see no drop off in the field if I shifted him to CF. Does this count? If it does, would the goal change to upgrade RF? Or if it doesn't, do I have to either sign a FA or trade for someone for this to count? Thanks!

hluraven · 06-03-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by geoffmatt17

Follow up question: Owner goal is "upgrade CF". Just so happens, my RF is also really good at CF, so I'd see no drop off in the field if I shifted him to CF. Does this count? If it does, would the goal change to upgrade RF? Or if it doesn't, do I have to either sign a FA or trade for someone for this to count? Thanks!

If you change the position of your RF to be a CF, it will count as a completed goal. You need to change his position, not actually play him there (so you can change his position, leave him in RF, and still get the credit).

geoffmatt17 · 06-03-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hluraven

If you change the position of your RF to be a CF, it will count as a completed goal. You need to change his position, not actually play him there (so you can change his position, leave him in RF, and still get the credit).

Got it, thanks! I just went and changed his position, and it seems I will get credit for it. No new RF goal (maybe not yet), which leads me to believe the system can be 'worked'.. Hope that doesn't open up a can of worms

redsox19934 · 06-03-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tedstriker

You might be able to fool him by signing a good player and setting his position to RF, even though he will be somewhere else in the lineup.

Some of the owner goals do seem odd, but real-life owners have been known to have some mind-boggling requests.

Yea I did this. Jackie Bradley Jr, developed really well in '15, and my goal was to upgrade RF so I moved Mookie over and I went from 12th (Victorino) to 2nd with Betts.

SwedishChef · 06-03-2015, 07:56 PM

you could always follow the Cherrington plan, Henry told him to upgrade his outfield and so he went out and acquired 10 OFers (or pseudo OFers in the case of a few of them roaming the turf).

seems to have worked out O.K. so far, right?

ra7c7er · 06-03-2015, 08:01 PM

Owner goals is kind of misleading term. In reality more of these goals would be GM goals. But since we as players can play as both GM and manager the only real way to dictate them coming from "higher up" is to say owner goals.

Just think of them as team goals and the owner keeps tabs on if you complete them.

SwedishChef · 06-03-2015, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ra7c7er

Owner goals is kind of misleading term. In reality more of these goals would be GM goals. But since we as players can play as both GM and manager the only real way to dictate them coming from "higher up" is to say owner goals.

Just think of them as team goals and the owner keeps tabs on if you complete them.

huh? if i'm the manager and my gm tells me to go acquire an all-star i'm going to tell him to go get bent and do his job. now, if it's the guy signing my checks i'm going to at least pretend that i'm considering extending Adrian Beltre until he's 50.

jaysdailydose · 06-03-2015, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedishChef

huh? if i'm the manager and my gm tells me to go acquire an all-star i'm going to tell him to go get bent and do his job. now, if it's the guy signing my checks i'm going to at least pretend that i'm considering extending Adrian Beltre until he's 50.

Yeah, you misunderstood what he was saying...

tejdog1 · 06-04-2015, 05:03 AM

"go get bent" made me crack up.

04-08-2015, 05:48 PM	#1
sonic80 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 12	Owner Goals - Upgrade Position Hi everyone, I really enjoy the new OOTP16 game, but I've noticed a couple times that the owner will sometimes wants me to upgrade a peculiar position as one of my season goals. This isn't a problem most of the time, especially when I'm using some scrub at second base or something, but I just got my season goals for my 2018 Red Sox team, and one of them is to upgrade at the right field position. Rusney Castillo is my starting right fielder, and by all measures, he has been a well-above average player in his three seasons on as my full time right fielder. Since the start of 2015 he's averaged an .842 OPS, .301 AVG, 133 OPS+, 19 Homeruns, and 96 RBIs per season, his defensive ratings in Right Field have been well above average (won gold glove in 2017), and is a 2-time all-star, and only missed the third because he was injured early in the season. Yet for some reason my owner wants an upgrade at RF, where we are currently listed as the 13th best right fielder. I've noticed this a few times with other teams as well. When I play as the cardinals, without fail, my owner wants me to upgrade at 1st after the first full season. Sometimes its justified, but sometimes Matt Adams has exceptional seasons, and ranks as one of the better first basemen after the season. So my question is how exactly does the owner decide when the team needs an upgrade at a position, and what are the criteria for that, because it definitely seems like its not based on their actual performances. I know I don't have to complete his goal, especially if Castillo continues to rake like he has for 3 years, but I'm still curious.

04-09-2015, 09:28 AM	#8
rpriske Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Spencerville, ON, Canada Posts: 26,506	I am having a little problem right now where my owner asked me to acquire a 'hometown player'. I am the Brooklyn Superbas and I traded for Kyle Anderson whose hometown is listed as Brooklyn, NY. The owner says the closest I have is Dick Braggins from Mercer, PA. __________________ Rusty Priske Poet, Canadian, Baseball Fan ````````````````````````````````````````

06-03-2015, 02:44 PM	#12
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	Does this count? Follow up question: Owner goal is "upgrade CF". Just so happens, my RF is also really good at CF, so I'd see no drop off in the field if I shifted him to CF. Does this count? If it does, would the goal change to upgrade RF? Or if it doesn't, do I have to either sign a FA or trade for someone for this to count? Thanks! __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

06-04-2015, 05:03 AM	#20
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,647	"go get bent" made me crack up. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

04-08-2015, 06:03 PM	#2
byzeil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NJ, US Posts: 2,006	I had my owner give me the goal of upgrading my third baseman but I liked who I had there and thought he would improve so I didn't make any changes. Come the end of the season my 3B had a very good year and the owner congratulated me on upgrading third base by showing patience with the guy I had there.

04-08-2015, 06:40 PM	#3
tedstriker Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 75	You might be able to fool him by signing a good player and setting his position to RF, even though he will be somewhere else in the lineup. Some of the owner goals do seem odd, but real-life owners have been known to have some mind-boggling requests.

04-08-2015, 07:23 PM	#4
ms2002 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,488	Yeah, maybe you could interpret it as the owner doesn't like Castillo. As long as you win and make a reasonable profit, the secondary goals really shouldn't matter too much.

04-09-2015, 12:50 AM	#6
sonic80 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 12	As it turned out Castillo had a bad 2018. 95 OPS+, .254 AVG, and spent more than half of the season on the DL. Maybe my owner was on to something...

04-09-2015, 12:57 PM	#9
Watsmata4u Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 20	My owner told me to upgrade a position with an all star which I did but I did it early in the season. The owner sent me mail congratulating me for fufilling his goal but at the end of the season he said it wasn't done. Could that be because the player didn't make the all star team after I traded for him?

04-09-2015, 02:08 PM	#10
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	I think one of the key problems is it's round 1 of this being implemented and it currently doesn't look beyond data point A and B as well as most of the goals don't look at the big picture.(or statistics perhaps) I have a young 3B prospect who looks to be the best hitter on my team for a decade or more. It's his 1st year in the majors, he played a full season and did ok for a 20 year old .276 12 69 with some killer def. In 2 to 3 years he should be a monster and will be more than serviceable until then. My owner asked me to upgrade at 3B and I did not meet the goal because my owner isn't taking into account potential and how foolish it would be to acquire a top 3B when other positions will be or are in more need. I have trust in Markus & team to tweak and solidify this feature more as we go. As far as first implementation I think it serves its purpose quite nicely.

06-03-2015, 07:56 PM	#16
SwedishChef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 109	you could always follow the Cherrington plan, Henry told him to upgrade his outfield and so he went out and acquired 10 OFers (or pseudo OFers in the case of a few of them roaming the turf). seems to have worked out O.K. so far, right?

06-03-2015, 08:01 PM	#17
ra7c7er All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,098	Owner goals is kind of misleading term. In reality more of these goals would be GM goals. But since we as players can play as both GM and manager the only real way to dictate them coming from "higher up" is to say owner goals. Just think of them as team goals and the owner keeps tabs on if you complete them.