Arbitration Offer Acceptance Issue

MKG1734 · 09-01-2014, 11:31 AM

Ive searched and don't see a thread with this issue...

Has anyone else had an issue with players Accepting arbitration (when you offer them the 13MM compensation) when they clearly should not?

For example...

I have a SP who had an extension offer of 7 yr 13MM/yr. After negotiating with him, I was able to drop it to 4 yr 15.75MM/yr. I still did not want to sign that contract and, instead, offered arbitration in order to receive the draft pick compensation.

Once the arbitration hearings hit....the player Accepted the 1 yr 13MM arbitration offer. Why? The player took 13MM guaranteed vs demanding over 60MM the day before?

Is this a bug? Has this been reported yet?

mpejkrm · 09-01-2014, 12:13 PM

I've noticed this issue with the new patch. There are actually two issues.

1) Every single free agent is comp eligible, even if they had terrible stats. We noticed this is one of my online leagues.

2) Every single player offered accepts.

This stuff wasn't happening before the new patch, so it might be a bug.

RchW · 09-01-2014, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpejkrm

I've noticed this issue with the new patch. There are actually two issues.

1) Every single free agent is comp eligible, even if they had terrible stats. We noticed this is one of my online leagues.

2) Every single player offered accepts.

This stuff wasn't happening before the new patch, so it might be a bug.

As a FYI under the new CBA every FA that meets the qualification criteria (with the team the entire season) is eligible for a QO and possible compensation. This means a list in the hundreds. Obviously teams don't make QO to low level or poor QFA or those whose salary level falls below the QO threshold.

Not every FA with a QO accepts. I've got two leagues where this is clearly evident.

hluraven · 09-01-2014, 02:06 PM

Just had this in my online league, two players did not accept arbitration so it does happen.

RchW · 09-01-2014, 03:29 PM

Most do not. You will get a high acceptance rate if QO are given to lower paid pending FA. It would be interesting to see what would happen to team budgets if 4-5 players took QO. Where would the money come from?

MKG1734 · 09-01-2014, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpejkrm

I've noticed this issue with the new patch. There are actually two issues.

1) Every single free agent is comp eligible, even if they had terrible stats. We noticed this is one of my online leagues.

2) Every single player offered accepts.

This stuff wasn't happening before the new patch, so it might be a bug.

I do not believe this to be true as there are free agents who have Compensation attached. This means that these players who were on AI teams were offered arbitration and declined and became a free agent. Therefore, from the AI's perspective, it appears some players are declining the offers.

However, from the human player's perspective, the players on each of my 4 seasons have all accepted when offered. And they have all been instances in which players accepted shortly after declining massive extension offers. (Example: Offer of 4 yrs 16MM/year, in which they decline that offer, only to accept the 1 yr 13MM arbitration offer)

RchW · 09-02-2014, 02:21 AM

I just checked my league just before opening day and find that 6 out of 90+ signed FA took a QO of $16M. Of these 4 had a decade or more with the team and the age range was 36-39. All were still productive. Worth $16M? Maybe! They averaged 4.4 WAR.

Seems like a pretty good compromise on the programming. It might be more realistic if each of these players signed a contract offer before free agency. A seventh player (4.4 WAR) younger than the others signed a $16 million 1 year contract as the playoffs opened.

bwburke94 · 09-02-2014, 12:05 PM

Keep in mind that the qualifying offer is not technically arbitration. The $13MM is a set amount depending on the league's financials.

MKG1734 · 09-03-2014, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Keep in mind that the qualifying offer is not technically arbitration. The $13MM is a set amount depending on the league's financials.

I understand all of this; however, it does not matter.

The fact remains that players are turning down MULTI-year offers at a HIGHER yearly salary with the response of needing more money.

Only to turn around, the very next day, and ACCEPT a 1 year deal for less yearly salary.

That seems wrong.

RchW · 09-03-2014, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKG1734

I understand all of this; however, it does not matter.

The fact remains that players are turning down MULTI-year offers at a HIGHER yearly salary with the response of needing more money.

Only to turn around, the very next day, and ACCEPT a 1 year deal for less yearly salary.

That seems wrong.

It is wrong but it seems not to be a widespread issue. I know that doesn't help you much.

Maybe you should submit a ticket and upload dat files.

Habsfan18 · 11-18-2014, 11:39 PM

I've noticed this as well.

I'm in the 2037 off-season and I noticed 14 free agents chose to accept their 13 million dollar qualifying offers. That seems like a high number.

Most of the stars appear to have declined their offers, as the top guys are free agents. But I noticed 14 accepted, and with the majority of them I'm surprised their clubs made them the offer in the first place as they likely would have gotten less had they gone to free agency.

And yes, I'm aware that the clubs likely did this to ensure compensation had they rejected.

marc5477 · 11-19-2014, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKG1734

Ive searched and don't see a thread with this issue...

Has anyone else had an issue with players Accepting arbitration (when you offer them the 13MM compensation) when they clearly should not?

For example...

I have a SP who had an extension offer of 7 yr 13MM/yr. After negotiating with him, I was able to drop it to 4 yr 15.75MM/yr. I still did not want to sign that contract and, instead, offered arbitration in order to receive the draft pick compensation.

Once the arbitration hearings hit....the player Accepted the 1 yr 13MM arbitration offer. Why? The player took 13MM guaranteed vs demanding over 60MM the day before?

Is this a bug? Has this been reported yet?

I chalk stuff like up to the stupidity of the player.. and even that is true to life. Lots of dummies out there on both sides. Maybe on that day, the other team he was talking with hired someone else and it was apparent that they didnt need him any more so he was stuck with arb or negotiations for possibly less. Ive seen lot of crazy things over the years but most of the time its the teams giving out way too much money for players that are not worth the price.

RchW · 11-19-2014, 02:24 AM

Contrary to some of my comments early in this thread I now see this as a problem. My thread on it generated no replies.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...rithmetic.html

Habsfan18 · 11-19-2014, 01:41 PM

Was this ever brought up to Markus and crew?

Lukas Berger · 11-19-2014, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

Contrary to some of my comments early in this thread I now see this as a problem. My thread on it generated no replies.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...rithmetic.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Was this ever brought up to Markus and crew?

Rich is on the beta team. Rich, I'd suggest you post your comments on this in the project tool bug tracker so it goes directly to Markus.

RchW · 11-19-2014, 03:21 PM

Done!

Sparty · 11-19-2014, 05:13 PM

I had the same issue as the Tigers. The lowest I could get Victor Martinez down to was a multi-year deal at $15M per year. I didn't even have the cap space for a deal in that range. I wanted to just get the draft pick compensation and move on. However, he accepted the $13M arbitration. I'm sure he could have gotten more in the open market.

Habsfan18 · 11-19-2014, 05:33 PM

If they improve the AI for this, will a patch be released? Or are we likely to have to wait until OOTP16?

Lukas Berger · 11-19-2014, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

If they improve the AI for this, will a patch be released? Or are we likely to have to wait until OOTP16?

Could be either. It's up to Markus and Andreas.

I would think that since development on OOTP16 has been going on for a while that they'll just fix it in 16 and not update 15, but they have released patches to the previous game really late in the cycle before.

So, no way to tell for sure.

09-01-2014, 11:31 AM	#1
MKG1734 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 256	Arbitration Offer Acceptance Issue Ive searched and don't see a thread with this issue... Has anyone else had an issue with players Accepting arbitration (when you offer them the 13MM compensation) when they clearly should not? For example... I have a SP who had an extension offer of 7 yr 13MM/yr. After negotiating with him, I was able to drop it to 4 yr 15.75MM/yr. I still did not want to sign that contract and, instead, offered arbitration in order to receive the draft pick compensation. Once the arbitration hearings hit....the player Accepted the 1 yr 13MM arbitration offer. Why? The player took 13MM guaranteed vs demanding over 60MM the day before? Is this a bug? Has this been reported yet?

09-01-2014, 03:29 PM	#5
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Most do not. You will get a high acceptance rate if QO are given to lower paid pending FA. It would be interesting to see what would happen to team budgets if 4-5 players took QO. Where would the money come from? __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

09-02-2014, 02:21 AM	#7
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I just checked my league just before opening day and find that 6 out of 90+ signed FA took a QO of $16M. Of these 4 had a decade or more with the team and the age range was 36-39. All were still productive. Worth $16M? Maybe! They averaged 4.4 WAR. Seems like a pretty good compromise on the programming. It might be more realistic if each of these players signed a contract offer before free agency. A seventh player (4.4 WAR) younger than the others signed a $16 million 1 year contract as the playoffs opened. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

11-18-2014, 11:39 PM	#11
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,245	I've noticed this as well. I'm in the 2037 off-season and I noticed 14 free agents chose to accept their 13 million dollar qualifying offers. That seems like a high number. Most of the stars appear to have declined their offers, as the top guys are free agents. But I noticed 14 accepted, and with the majority of them I'm surprised their clubs made them the offer in the first place as they likely would have gotten less had they gone to free agency. And yes, I'm aware that the clubs likely did this to ensure compensation had they rejected. Last edited by Habsfan18; 11-19-2014 at 12:13 AM.

11-19-2014, 02:24 AM	#13
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Contrary to some of my comments early in this thread I now see this as a problem. My thread on it generated no replies. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...rithmetic.html __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

09-01-2014, 12:13 PM	#2
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	I've noticed this issue with the new patch. There are actually two issues. 1) Every single free agent is comp eligible, even if they had terrible stats. We noticed this is one of my online leagues. 2) Every single player offered accepts. This stuff wasn't happening before the new patch, so it might be a bug.

09-01-2014, 02:06 PM	#4
hluraven Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 355	Just had this in my online league, two players did not accept arbitration so it does happen.

09-02-2014, 12:05 PM	#8
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,504	Keep in mind that the qualifying offer is not technically arbitration. The $13MM is a set amount depending on the league's financials.

11-19-2014, 01:41 PM	#14
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,245	Was this ever brought up to Markus and crew?

11-19-2014, 03:21 PM	#16
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Done! __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

11-19-2014, 05:13 PM	#17
Sparty Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 18	I had the same issue as the Tigers. The lowest I could get Victor Martinez down to was a multi-year deal at $15M per year. I didn't even have the cap space for a deal in that range. I wanted to just get the draft pick compensation and move on. However, he accepted the $13M arbitration. I'm sure he could have gotten more in the open market.

11-19-2014, 05:33 PM	#18
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,245	If they improve the AI for this, will a patch be released? Or are we likely to have to wait until OOTP16?