AI ignoring PH decisions from earlier in the inning

gosensgo101 · 07-19-2014, 06:22 PM

This is something I've noticed for a while now. The AI's logic seems to be as follows:

1) SS due up, backup MIF is available on the bench, so safe to PH w/ the backup C.
2) 2B due up, same backup MIF is (theoretically) available on the bench, so safe to PH w/ the backup MIF.
3) Now that there is no backup MIF on the bench, the backup C has to stay in as the SS, with the backup MIF staying in at 2B.

The 2nd step should be able to see that the backup MIF will be required to replace the backup C the next inning.

My second gripe is that if a backup C is ever forced into the game, he should not be playing SS. In this case, the backup MIF should obviously play SS, with the backup C playing a less important position (2B or 3B, or 1B if the 1st baseman is a better option to play elsewhere in the IF). Same goes other out of position players.

goalieump413 · 07-19-2014, 06:37 PM

So what you're saying is that the AI decisions about hitting are disconnected from the AI decisions that follow those on offense?

Interesting. I haven't looked for this myself, but if this is a regular occurrence, it could cause serious problems in fielding percentages. But look on the bright side: That catcher might now have a SS rating!

Honorable_Pawn · 07-19-2014, 06:50 PM

This is a constant irritation that needs to be fixed before 3-D.

Honorable_Pawn · 07-19-2014, 06:54 PM

Grrr....

I can't stress this enough.

I have very few problems with the game. But this kind of foolishness pisses me off. For God's sake, I understand programming the AI is the most-complex thing a developer is faced with but, come on, put a simple line of code that the back-up catcher never ever ever ever ever plays SS.

Whatever, you might have a back-up catcher that is proficient at SS. So what!!! Never ever ever ever put the back-up catcher at SS.

bwburke94 · 07-19-2014, 09:30 PM

The best way to patch it: If one of the eight non-pitcher defensive positions is not currently in the lineup, don't PH/PR for a non-pitcher unless both vacated positions can be handled by substitutes that have been made in the inning.

For instance, if a C pinch-hits for a SS, and the current C's spot is due up, the pinch-hitter should be a SS. If a C pinch-hits for a SS and a SS pinch-hits for a pitcher, anyone can pinch-hit for a C because both C/SS are already accounted for.

gosensgo101 · 07-19-2014, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwburke94

The best way to patch it: If one of the eight non-pitcher defensive positions is not currently in the lineup, don't PH/PR for a non-pitcher unless both vacated positions can be handled by substitutes that have been made in the inning.

For instance, if a C pinch-hits for a SS, and the current C's spot is due up, the pinch-hitter should be a SS. If a C pinch-hits for a SS and a SS pinch-hits for a pitcher, anyone can pinch-hit for a C because both C/SS are already accounted for.

Yup. Just seems to be missing the step of updating the expected defensive alignment for the next inning.

07-19-2014, 06:22 PM	#1
gosensgo101 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 231	AI ignoring PH decisions from earlier in the inning This is something I've noticed for a while now. The AI's logic seems to be as follows: 1) SS due up, backup MIF is available on the bench, so safe to PH w/ the backup C. 2) 2B due up, same backup MIF is (theoretically) available on the bench, so safe to PH w/ the backup MIF. 3) Now that there is no backup MIF on the bench, the backup C has to stay in as the SS, with the backup MIF staying in at 2B. The 2nd step should be able to see that the backup MIF will be required to replace the backup C the next inning. My second gripe is that if a backup C is ever forced into the game, he should not be playing SS. In this case, the backup MIF should obviously play SS, with the backup C playing a less important position (2B or 3B, or 1B if the 1st baseman is a better option to play elsewhere in the IF). Same goes other out of position players. Attached Images

07-19-2014, 06:37 PM	#2
goalieump413 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 765	So what you're saying is that the AI decisions about hitting are disconnected from the AI decisions that follow those on offense? Interesting. I haven't looked for this myself, but if this is a regular occurrence, it could cause serious problems in fielding percentages. But look on the bright side: That catcher might now have a SS rating!

07-19-2014, 06:50 PM	#3
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	This is a constant irritation that needs to be fixed before 3-D.

07-19-2014, 06:54 PM	#4
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	Grrr.... I can't stress this enough. I have very few problems with the game. But this kind of foolishness pisses me off. For God's sake, I understand programming the AI is the most-complex thing a developer is faced with but, come on, put a simple line of code that the back-up catcher never ever ever ever ever plays SS. Whatever, you might have a back-up catcher that is proficient at SS. So what!!! Never ever ever ever put the back-up catcher at SS.

07-19-2014, 09:30 PM	#5
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,507	The best way to patch it: If one of the eight non-pitcher defensive positions is not currently in the lineup, don't PH/PR for a non-pitcher unless both vacated positions can be handled by substitutes that have been made in the inning. For instance, if a C pinch-hits for a SS, and the current C's spot is due up, the pinch-hitter should be a SS. If a C pinch-hits for a SS and a SS pinch-hits for a pitcher, anyone can pinch-hit for a C because both C/SS are already accounted for.