Qualifying Offers?

Bullshifter · 07-12-2014, 02:29 PM

Just got back in to FHM after build 19 came out recently.

So I have RFAs, but can't figure out how to qualify them. A guy won't even negotiate and says he's 'waiting for offer sheets'. Can you extend qualifying offers??

Also as a side question how do you edit AHL lines? I have a couple good young guys who are scratched and never get to play and I can't edit the lines.

asilvermtzion · 07-12-2014, 04:49 PM

qualifiers are super unclear at the moment. you have to offer and submit whatever the qualifying amount is, regardless of whether or not the player wants to negotiate.

Bullshifter · 07-12-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by asilvermtzion

qualifiers are super unclear at the moment. you have to offer and submit whatever the qualifying amount is, regardless of whether or not the player wants to negotiate.

Thank you very much for your response, too bad it's not done better. Always hope for FHM 2015.

JeffR · 07-12-2014, 10:36 PM

You should be able to get at least one offer in before the player breaks off negotiations; as long as that's above the qualifying requirement, the player won't become an unrestricted free agent. If it's going straight to the "waiting for offer sheets" response the first time you talk to the player, we'll need to look at that, it's not intended.

dave1927p · 07-12-2014, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

You should be able to get at least one offer in before the player breaks off negotiations; as long as that's above the qualifying requirement, the player won't become an unrestricted free agent. If it's going straight to the "waiting for offer sheets" response the first time you talk to the player, we'll need to look at that, it's not intended.

yes it does come up as saying waiting for offer sheets sometimes. You still need to offer him a contract from what I've seen to hold his rights though.

JeffR · 07-13-2014, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dave1927p

yes it does come up as saying waiting for offer sheets sometimes. You still need to offer him a contract from what I've seen to hold his rights though.

OK, we'll get that checked out. You should be getting at least one chance to make an offer before he refuses to talk.

dave1927p · 07-13-2014, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

OK, we'll get that checked out. You should be getting at least one chance to make an offer before he refuses to talk.

Most of these guys have no right to say waiting for offer sheets anyways, even after 1 offer. That simply doesn't happen very often anymore as the punishment is quite severe for a top payed player. RFA don't have many options and the AI needs to learn that.

AaronV · 07-13-2014, 10:19 AM

Yes these RFAs have very few rights and shouldnt be walking away, from what ive seen they just end up on no team because i still have rights to them and i usually can sign them for less money sometime during the next season. Maybe add Arbitration to the game, dont know if this has been discussed before.

The Rule

NHL salary arbitration is a tool available to settle some contract disputes. The player and team each propose a salary for the coming season, and argue their cases at a hearing. The arbitrator, a neutral third party, then sets the player's salary.

Most players must have four years of NHL experience before they are eligible for salary arbitration (the term is reduced for those who signed their first NHL contract after the age of 20). The process is used by restricted free agents, because it is one of the few bargaining options available to them.

The deadline for players to request salary arbitration is July 5, with cases heard in late July and early August. A player and team can continue to negotiate up until the date of the hearing, in hopes of agreeing on a contract and avoiding the arbitration process.

Teams can also ask for salary arbitration. But a player can be taken to arbitration only once in his career, and can never receive less than 85 per-cent of his previous year's salary. There are no such restrictions on the number of times a player can ask for arbitration, or the size of the salary awarded.

A decision must be made within 48 hours of the hearing. When the decision is announced, the team has the right to decline, or "walk away" from the award. If the team exercises this right, the player can declare himself an unrestricted free agent.

The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:
The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons.
Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL.
The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure.
The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal."
The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute.

Evidence that is not admissible:
The salary and performance of a "comparable" player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.
Testimonials, video and media reports.
The financial state of the team.
The salary cap and the state of the team's payroll.

Aaron

Bullshifter · 07-13-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dave1927p

Most of these guys have no right to say waiting for offer sheets anyways, even after 1 offer. That simply doesn't happen very often anymore as the punishment is quite severe for a top payed player. RFA don't have many options and the AI needs to learn that.

Right. A lot of my RFA's say they will wait for offer sheets but how often do offer sheets really happen? I think there should be significant talks before an RFA flat out tells you no negotiations, I'm waiting for an offer sheet that's rarely handed out.

madball · 07-14-2014, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullshifter

Right. A lot of my RFA's say they will wait for offer sheets but how often do offer sheets really happen?

I threw out about 10 of them last off-season in my game

07-12-2014, 02:29 PM	#1
Bullshifter Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 25	Qualifying Offers? Just got back in to FHM after build 19 came out recently. So I have RFAs, but can't figure out how to qualify them. A guy won't even negotiate and says he's 'waiting for offer sheets'. Can you extend qualifying offers?? Also as a side question how do you edit AHL lines? I have a couple good young guys who are scratched and never get to play and I can't edit the lines.

07-13-2014, 10:19 AM	#8
AaronV Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 25	Yes these RFAs have very few rights and shouldnt be walking away, from what ive seen they just end up on no team because i still have rights to them and i usually can sign them for less money sometime during the next season. Maybe add Arbitration to the game, dont know if this has been discussed before. The Rule NHL salary arbitration is a tool available to settle some contract disputes. The player and team each propose a salary for the coming season, and argue their cases at a hearing. The arbitrator, a neutral third party, then sets the player's salary. Most players must have four years of NHL experience before they are eligible for salary arbitration (the term is reduced for those who signed their first NHL contract after the age of 20). The process is used by restricted free agents, because it is one of the few bargaining options available to them. The deadline for players to request salary arbitration is July 5, with cases heard in late July and early August. A player and team can continue to negotiate up until the date of the hearing, in hopes of agreeing on a contract and avoiding the arbitration process. Teams can also ask for salary arbitration. But a player can be taken to arbitration only once in his career, and can never receive less than 85 per-cent of his previous year's salary. There are no such restrictions on the number of times a player can ask for arbitration, or the size of the salary awarded. A decision must be made within 48 hours of the hearing. When the decision is announced, the team has the right to decline, or "walk away" from the award. If the team exercises this right, the player can declare himself an unrestricted free agent. The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases: The player's "overall performance" including statistics in all previous seasons. Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played. The player's length of service with the team and in the NHL. The player's "overall contribution" to the team's success or failure. The player's "special qualities of leadership or public appeal." The performance and salary of any player alleged to be "comparable" to the player in the dispute. Evidence that is not admissible: The salary and performance of a "comparable" player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent. Testimonials, video and media reports. The financial state of the team. The salary cap and the state of the team's payroll. Aaron Last edited by AaronV; 07-13-2014 at 10:23 AM.

07-12-2014, 04:49 PM	#2
asilvermtzion Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 144	qualifiers are super unclear at the moment. you have to offer and submit whatever the qualifying amount is, regardless of whether or not the player wants to negotiate.

07-12-2014, 10:36 PM	#4
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,249	You should be able to get at least one offer in before the player breaks off negotiations; as long as that's above the qualifying requirement, the player won't become an unrestricted free agent. If it's going straight to the "waiting for offer sheets" response the first time you talk to the player, we'll need to look at that, it's not intended.