Why I have stopped playing...

[tcblcommish]

This is not to bitch in any way shape or form but to hopefully help.

1)Far too slow. This game is at the point where things are tedious to do. The sim speed to me is the major killer. It takes way too long to go day to day and sim a day.

2) Cumbersome menus and adjusting. Making line ups, moving players around, checking free agents is just time consuming and frustrating. Maybe if the player names were bigger and better organized in the line up and roster screens, it wouldn't be so bad but there is such little wiggle room for clicking and dragging on things. Not to mention that sometimes trying to drag the player onto said line doesn't always work is more than an annoyance.

3) Scouting and Training is just awful in my opinion. Again, very cumbersome to go through and assign the scouts tasks and scout ahead for drafts. I know it's basic but it shouldn't be a frustration. Again, this might just be my opinion on the matter.

4) Size of pretty much everything. It annoys me to no extent to see so much empty space on the screen and things in text all small and spaced poorly. It's only cosmetic in a lot of ways but it is such a turn off to me.

5) Being able to do anything during a game. In OOTP (I know, different sport) there is so much more to keep you doing something but in hockey, unless you have the ability to manage the game, line changes or whatever, the game screen is beyond boring. It is bad play by play, no 2D and nothing to do. To me that part of the game is just an easy skip but the problem with that is that there is no immersion into it.

That's all I have for now. This is not to bitch but to show you Sebastian, what a guy thinks right from the start of the game. I bought first day and have played it pretty much regularly until recently and I want this to succeed so I thought I would post why I'm not playing anymore.

I do enjoy the game at times, it's not all lost and I see an incredible amount of potential in the product and will be a 1st day buyer of the next one so all I want is to get a product that is fun to play.

Good job on this game, no matter what some of these people come here with their 1 or 2 posts say with their bitching rants that are about little things or one thing over and over. Keep your head up, keep programming and make them shut the hell up!

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

This is not to bitch in any way shape or form but to hopefully help.

1)Far too slow. This game is at the point where things are tedious to do. The sim speed to me is the major killer. It takes way too long to go day to day and sim a day.

Huh???

2) Cumbersome menus and adjusting. Making line ups, moving players around, checking free agents is just time consuming and frustrating. Maybe if the player names were bigger and better organized in the line up and roster screens, it wouldn't be so bad but there is such little wiggle room for clicking and dragging on things. Not to mention that sometimes trying to drag the player onto said line doesn't always work is more than an annoyance.

It's maybe the the best, but not the worst either...yes an area where OOTP could probably take a few lessons from FM

3) Scouting and Training is just awful in my opinion. Again, very cumbersome to go through and assign the scouts tasks and scout ahead for drafts. I know it's basic but it shouldn't be a frustration. Again, this might just be my opinion on the matter.

To me, it's not intuitive or challenging enough...It doesn't have ENOUGH detail IMO

4) Size of pretty much everything. It annoys me to no extent to see so much empty space on the screen and things in text all small and spaced poorly. It's only cosmetic in a lot of ways but it is such a turn off to me.

I could not agree more on this one.

5) Being able to do anything during a game. In OOTP (I know, different sport) there is so much more to keep you doing something but in hockey, unless you have the ability to manage the game, line changes or whatever, the game screen is beyond boring. It is bad play by play, no 2D and nothing to do. To me that part of the game is just an easy skip but the problem with that is that there is no immersion into it.

We will see what the fire holds here

That's all I have for now. This is not to bitch but to show you Sebastian, what a guy thinks right from the start of the game. I bought first day and have played it pretty much regularly until recently and I want this to succeed so I thought I would post why I'm not playing anymore.

I do enjoy the game at times, it's not all lost and I see an incredible amount of potential in the product and will be a 1st day buyer of the next one so all I want is to get a product that is fun to play.

Good job on this game, no matter what some of these people come here with their 1 or 2 posts say with their bitching rants that are about little things or one thing over and over. Keep your head up, keep programming and make them shut the hell up!

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[omjo]

1. I think that might be because of the amount of leagues you have enabled? I am not sure since I've always had every league, but it is quite slow I'll admit (though understandable because there are a lot of leagues to sim). Try having only a few leagues and see if that makes it faster.

2. That's the kind of stuff you need to focus on with a hockey club lol...

3. The FHM team has apparently re-done the whole training and scouting system of the game. Fortunately.

4. Agreed.

5. Agreed. More control during games would really take it to the next level.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by omjo

2. That's the kind of stuff you need to focus on with a hockey club lol....

Didn't say that doing that was a bad thing, just the way it's laid out and how it works. I love micromanaging which is why I have been here from ootp 1 and even the EHM free version

[QUOTE=tcblcommish;3627861]This is not to bitch in any way shape or form but to hopefully help.

1)Far too slow. This game is at the point where things are tedious to do. The sim speed to me is the major killer. It takes way too long to go day to day and sim a day.

I agree here. Trying to sim through dates is very, very slow! Yes we can take off some of the leagues but we shouldn't need to. Although I'm sure it will be improved eventually.

2) Cumbersome menus and adjusting. Making line ups, moving players around, checking free agents is just time consuming and frustrating. Maybe if the player names were bigger and better organized in the line up and roster screens, it wouldn't be so bad but there is such little wiggle room for clicking and dragging on things. Not to mention that sometimes trying to drag the player onto said line doesn't always work is more than an annoyance.

I agree certain screens could do with a layout change, especially free agents, and your teams personnel screen < This one especially **

3) Scouting and Training is just awful in my opinion. Again, very cumbersome to go through and assign the scouts tasks and scout ahead for drafts. I know it's basic but it shouldn't be a frustration. Again, this might just be my opinion on the matter.

Scouting is getting better each update, and Geckon is making sure of it () Training, giving what I can say about it - has been worked on

4) Size of pretty much everything. It annoys me to no extent to see so much empty space on the screen and things in text all small and spaced poorly. It's only cosmetic in a lot of ways but it is such a turn off to me.

** coming back from number 2. Some screens need a layout and UI change for sure. We were told by Sebastian that the person who does this is pretty busy atm with OOTP 15, when she is free they can look into it again!

5) Being able to do anything during a game. In OOTP (I know, different sport) there is so much more to keep you doing something but in hockey, unless you have the ability to manage the game, line changes or whatever, the game screen is beyond boring. It is bad play by play, no 2D and nothing to do. To me that part of the game is just an easy skip but the problem with that is that there is no immersion into it.

I don't watch my games, not that much anyway so I'm neutral here

That's all I have for now. This is not to bitch but to show you Sebastian, what a guy thinks right from the start of the game. I bought first day and have played it pretty much regularly until recently and I want this to succeed so I thought I would post why I'm not playing anymore.

Good job on this game, no matter what some of these people come here with their 1 or 2 posts say with their bitching rants that are about little things or one thing over and over. Keep your head up, keep programming and make them shut the hell up!

I agree! I think that, despite how annoyed some of these ones who bitch, or make one post and bitch, why not try to get involved and help make the game better? I was pretty disappointed when I installed the game on released night, but I decided to try and help instead of just complain! But each to their own I guess...

[AlpineSK]

I couldnt agree more with everything you said..

Scouting has ALWAYS been a big pet peeve of mine.. Can't we just have an option to turn it off if we like without going into commissioner mode?

[omjo]

[QUOTE=Garethw87;3628015]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

This is not to bitch in any way shape or form but to hopefully help.



I agree here. Trying to sim through dates is very, very slow! Yes we can take off some of the leagues but we shouldn't need to. Although I'm sure it will be improved eventually.



I agree certain screens could do with a layout change, especially free agents, and your teams personnel screen < This one especially **



Scouting is getting better each update, and Geckon is making sure of it () Training, giving what I can say about it - has been worked on



** coming back from number 2. Some screens need a layout and UI change for sure. We were told by Sebastian that the person who does this is pretty busy atm with OOTP 15, when she is free they can look into it again!



I don't watch my games, not that much anyway so I'm neutral here






I agree! I think that, despite how annoyed some of these ones who bitch, or make one post and bitch, why not try to get involved and help make the game better? I was pretty disappointed when I installed the game on released night, but I decided to try and help instead of just complain! But each to their own I guess...

How so? Even with FM14, the more nations you enable the slower the game will be.

That's just a reality for games like this I think, you'll need to compromise on some things for better performance.

[cheap]

I have to agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the game is pretty new and hopefully will be improved for this version and the next.

[archibalduk]

I completely agree with what you say. And my hat off to you for taking time to post constructive criticism. This is surely much more useful for the devs.

Regarding the scouting and training, this will be much improved come the next patch. It is coming on really well.

[Penfold75]

Player Development, Training and Scouting look to be getting a pretty big overhaul not a few tweaks so I'm excited to see the results of this.

The game can be quite slow but I do find it depends on the amount of leagues you select. This decreases the performance, much the same as it does in Football Manager. So you have to trade off how many leagues you want to run against your PC performance.

The play by play does need a bit of work but when the time is right if they attack that with the same vigour as scouting etc. then I am sure that will be much improved as well. It maybe isn't as much of a priority right now as some of the core game functions.

I admit I hate the UI. The way the screen is used could be improved a lot and how the data/information is displayed needs some work. At the moment I can live with it until the devs look at it.

I would love to have more hands on things I could do during games i.e. line changes, tactics. Hopefully this will be addressed in time as well as it would make the game experience much better in my opinion.

Due to the updates from Sebastian I am excited about the game again. Getting information about what the team are working on and including the users, showing us screens and explaining how the changes should work has got me hyped like I was when the game was announced and about its potential

[QUOTE=omjo;3628141]

Originally Posted by Garethw87

How so? Even with FM14, the more nations you enable the slower the game will be.

That's just a reality for games like this I think, you'll need to compromise on some things for better performance.

I was going to use FM14 as an example, that even that 'great' game is terribly slow when you start adding more leagues. But its still alot faster then what FHM14 is right now so there must be something they can clean up in the coding to make it sim a little smoother.

I've ran OOTP 14 with a few leagues loaded and its quicker, Im sure its not on their top 10 list right now though as they are working through scouting/training/match engine etc

[Duranium]

Originally Posted by Penfold75

Player Development, Training and Scouting look to be getting a pretty big overhaul not a few tweaks so I'm excited to see the results of this.

The game can be quite slow but I do find it depends on the amount of leagues you select. This decreases the performance, much the same as it does in Football Manager. So you have to trade off how many leagues you want to run against your PC performance.

The play by play does need a bit of work but when the time is right if they attack that with the same vigour as scouting etc. then I am sure that will be much improved as well. It maybe isn't as much of a priority right now as some of the core game functions.

I admit I hate the UI. The way the screen is used could be improved a lot and how the data/information is displayed needs some work. At the moment I can live with it until the devs look at it.

I would love to have more hands on things I could do during games i.e. line changes, tactics. Hopefully this will be addressed in time as well as it would make the game experience much better in my opinion.

Due to the updates from Sebastian I am excited about the game again. Getting information about what the team are working on and including the users, showing us screens and explaining how the changes should work has got me hyped like I was when the game was announced and about its potential

dudes, as i mentioned before - this game will become hu u u u u u u ge

[omjo]

[QUOTE=Garethw87;3628286]

Originally Posted by omjo

I was going to use FM14 as an example, that even that 'great' game is terribly slow when you start adding more leagues. But its still alot faster then what FHM14 is right now so there must be something they can clean up in the coding to make it sim a little smoother.

I've ran OOTP 14 with a few leagues loaded and its quicker, Im sure its not on their top 10 list right now though as they are working through scouting/training/match engine etc

Totally agree, the speed can be improved. Especially considering that, keeping with the example of FM14, each nation has a number of leagues that are loaded as well.

I use my laptop with every league, sure it's a little slower than I'd like but I can live with it for now.

[QUOTE=omjo;3628422]

Originally Posted by Garethw87

Totally agree, the speed can be improved. Especially considering that, keeping with the example of FM14, each nation has a number of leagues that are loaded as well.

I use my laptop with every league, sure it's a little slower than I'd like but I can live with it for now.

The problem I have is that, when a game is offering 10 leagues for example, my mind tells me "but you have to run them all or the game world won't be as 'real' as it can be!" So even with games like FM14 I'll try running 20 leagues when I'll only ever manage in 1 or 2 of them!

[Sebastien]

It takes way too long to go day to day and sim a day.

In the Play Menu try using ''Auto play until'' option instead of today if you want faster D to D simulation.

Specify you date for tomorrow and there you have it it is 2 times and maybe even more fast this way.

Thats the way i manage to get through day to day without loosing all mine anyway.

[JeffR]

[QUOTE=Garethw87;3628482]

Originally Posted by omjo

The problem I have is that, when a game is offering 10 leagues for example, my mind tells me "but you have to run them all or the game world won't be as 'real' as it can be!" So even with games like FM14 I'll try running 20 leagues when I'll only ever manage in 1 or 2 of them!

I know what you mean, I do the same thing in FM. But we've actually put a lot of effort into getting the non-playable leagues to handle players in a realistic way, instead of just being a static background. And as we add additional playable leagues, it's eventually going to become impractical for anybody to have them all active - ideally, at some point I'd like to see every country have at least one playable league, and have the main hockey countries be several levels deep.

[QUOTE=JeffR;3628938]

Originally Posted by Garethw87

I know what you mean, I do the same thing in FM. But we've actually put a lot of effort into getting the non-playable leagues to handle players in a realistic way, instead of just being a static background. And as we add additional playable leagues, it's eventually going to become impractical for anybody to have them all active - ideally, at some point I'd like to see every country have at least one playable league, and have the main hockey countries be several levels deep.

Sounds like a great idea to me!

I try to get round the 'too many leagues' issue i have by opening regions, so say if am only going to play NHL i'll load NHL, AHL, ECHL and maybe KHL/Sweden to keep it small but open enough for some interesting careers moves... anyway...

The Austrian EBEL needs to be added! Any Austrians around?

[Duranium]

[QUOTE=Garethw87;3629227]

Originally Posted by JeffR

The Austrian EBEL needs to be added! Any Austrians around?

*...raises his hand and looks forward to CDN vs. AUT at Sotchi....*

[QUOTE=Duranium;3629278]

Originally Posted by Garethw87

*...raises his hand and looks forward to CDN vs. AUT at Sotchi....*

Sieg Osterriech!

[Duranium]

[QUOTE=Garethw87;3629459]

Originally Posted by Duranium

Sieg Osterriech!

hehe

As much as i love El Sid & Kunitz (and it still is beyond me that Nealer wasn´t selected) that much i hope Vanek, Grabner & Raffl will surprise Canada and take advantage of Canada´s sub-par goalie selection