What Has Mike Trout Done In Your League?

The Game · 10-14-2013, 11:51 PM

I will post ratings on him later on but wondering why Mike Trout went from being a.349 hitter to a .270ish hitter. What has he done in your league after 2013?

Fyrestorm3 · 10-14-2013, 11:57 PM

Barring one acceptable season of .276/.340/.384, he never accomplished a thing in my game (though it was started in OOTP13, so take it with a grain of salt).

The poor bastard plays for the Astros now (it's currently 2018).

Lukas Berger · 10-15-2013, 12:09 AM

It happens. The dev engine has no idea who he is after all.

That being said...

Looked him up in the db. Gonna be honest, looks like some of his ratings were a bit too low.

I adjusted his gap, eye and even avoid K ratings upward. That may get changed again before the rosters are released next year since everyone will end up having their current ratings set to the PECOTA projections, but I also changed some of his potentials, at least those should stick.

Will keep an eye on him and try to make sure he doesn't get too underrated again next year.

PSUColonel · 10-15-2013, 12:51 AM

he's gotten injured

The Wolf · 10-15-2013, 01:09 AM

He's a notch above replacement.

adaman77 · 10-15-2013, 01:45 AM

He's usually somewhere in the top-3 for WAR in the AL, at least for the first few seasons starting with 2013.

The Game · 10-15-2013, 01:52 AM

here are his full ratings in my league. This is/was a 1999 historical league 100% scouting, so dont know if he is different in the 2013 quickstart.

r0nster · 10-15-2013, 02:41 PM

I traded for him and he hasn't done much other than 25-30 hrs and 90 rbi always gets injuries that goes for a month

gpellis · 10-15-2013, 03:25 PM

I had him on a game I started in OOTP13 and carried over. I ended up trading for him with the Braves. He was a beast when he was healthy, but it was so seldom that it didn't really matter.

JMDurron · 10-15-2013, 09:44 PM

I started in OOTP13, so he wasn't as highly rated as he likely was in OOTP 14.

From 2012 to 2019 (in progress), his OPS numbers have been 767, 657, 628, 638, 762, 708, 733, and 767. He was injured in 2012 and only played in 88 games, but has been durable otherwise. Despite that, his WAR has gone 2.9 (88 games), 0.7, 2.9, 1.9, 6.3, 4.5 (contract year!), 5.0, 3.8 due to outstanding defense in CF. On the strength of his speed and glove, he managed to get a 3 year, $62M deal out of Arizona after the 2017 season.

So, in summary, while he's been underwhelming offensively, he has been a defensive stud in my league.

Markus Heinsohn · 10-16-2013, 05:06 AM

Trout's ratings (like any other major leaguer) were based on Baseball Prospects' PECOTA projection system. PECOTA projected him to return back to earth, partly because he was such a freak in his first season and had no real comparisons. Anyway, IIRC I even rated him up a bit prior to release of OOTP 14, but obviously it was not enough as the freak continued to play like a freak.

The Wolf · 10-16-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Trout's ratings (like any other major leaguer) were based on Baseball Prospects' PECOTA projection system. PECOTA projected him to return back to earth, partly because he was such a freak in his first season and had no real comparisons. Anyway, IIRC I even rated him up a bit prior to release of OOTP 14, but obviously it was not enough as the freak continued to play like a freak.

Not all "freaks" regress to the mean. Some are true outliers.

zoomzilla · 10-16-2013, 08:34 PM

The way this thread sounds, it seems like everyone naturally assumes that Trout is going to the hall of fame and there's nothing that can stop it. Maybe those original projections were correct. Is it really so hard to believe that he will have injury problems and end up as a career .279 hitter? The game is littered with players that showed immense talent in the first few years of their career then drop to a mediocre player with injury trouble. I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

Tyler87898 · 10-16-2013, 08:57 PM

My Mike Trout has had 7.5, 10.5, 9.5, 4.4, 9.3 WAR seasons. He's bombed 30 HR twice (not including 2012) and in the other seasons hit 24, 24, and 16 (that season was a down season and only played 120 games, but he bounced back). He'd definitely lived up to expectations.

tejdog1 · 10-16-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomzilla

The way this thread sounds, it seems like everyone naturally assumes that Trout is going to the hall of fame and there's nothing that can stop it. Maybe those original projections were correct. Is it really so hard to believe that he will have injury problems and end up as a career .279 hitter? The game is littered with players that showed immense talent in the first few years of their career then drop to a mediocre player with injury trouble. I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

List of player to put up 10+ WAR seasons in their first 2 major league seasons?

The Wolf · 10-16-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomzilla

The way this thread sounds, it seems like everyone naturally assumes that Trout is going to the hall of fame and there's nothing that can stop it. Maybe those original projections were correct. Is it really so hard to believe that he will have injury problems and end up as a career .279 hitter? The game is littered with players that showed immense talent in the first few years of their career then drop to a mediocre player with injury trouble. I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

Injuries can always stop an HOF run.

Lukas Berger · 10-16-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomzilla

I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

Of course he could always have injury issues. But it seem to me that you're drastically underrating the historic nature of his performances in his first two seasons. To make a comparison to one all-time great:

Based on WAR, his first two full seasons would slot in as the sixth and the fourth greatest seasons that Mickey Mantle ever had. And Mantle didn't have a season that equaled Trouts first full season, when Trout was 20, until his fourth full season at age 23.

Given what Trout's done so far, it seems very likely that, injuries aside, he's destined to be one of the all time greats.

Fyrestorm3 · 10-16-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomzilla

The way this thread sounds, it seems like everyone naturally assumes that Trout is going to the hall of fame and there's nothing that can stop it. Maybe those original projections were correct. Is it really so hard to believe that he will have injury problems and end up as a career .279 hitter? The game is littered with players that showed immense talent in the first few years of their career then drop to a mediocre player with injury trouble. I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

You are right, but no one's saying that. I haven't seen one person (aside from lukasberger, whose job it is to tweak the ratings) claim that they're amazed that Trout didn't become a star in their league. All we've done is what The Game asked, and report on what Trout has done in our leagues.

The Game · 10-17-2013, 12:42 AM

I just wanted to see what Trout has done. I wasn't expecting Lukas to tweak his ratings. I am also interested to see what Cardinals prospect drawing a blank on his name and dont see him listed on bb ref for this season and others have done. Trout other the the batting average and getting injured still did well the past 2 seasons.

r0nster · 10-17-2013, 01:01 AM

thought I would show how trout has done for me.

10-14-2013, 11:51 PM	#1
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	What Has Mike Trout Done In Your League? I will post ratings on him later on but wondering why Mike Trout went from being a.349 hitter to a .270ish hitter. What has he done in your league after 2013? Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

10-15-2013, 12:09 AM	#3
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,365	It happens. The dev engine has no idea who he is after all. That being said... Looked him up in the db. Gonna be honest, looks like some of his ratings were a bit too low. I adjusted his gap, eye and even avoid K ratings upward. That may get changed again before the rosters are released next year since everyone will end up having their current ratings set to the PECOTA projections, but I also changed some of his potentials, at least those should stick. Will keep an eye on him and try to make sure he doesn't get too underrated again next year. Last edited by Lukas Berger; 10-15-2013 at 12:17 AM.

10-15-2013, 01:52 AM	#7
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	here are his full ratings in my league. This is/was a 1999 historical league 100% scouting, so dont know if he is different in the 2013 quickstart. Attached Images __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

10-16-2013, 05:06 AM	#11
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Trout's ratings (like any other major leaguer) were based on Baseball Prospects' PECOTA projection system. PECOTA projected him to return back to earth, partly because he was such a freak in his first season and had no real comparisons. Anyway, IIRC I even rated him up a bit prior to release of OOTP 14, but obviously it was not enough as the freak continued to play like a freak. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

10-17-2013, 12:42 AM	#19
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	I just wanted to see what Trout has done. I wasn't expecting Lukas to tweak his ratings. I am also interested to see what Cardinals prospect drawing a blank on his name and dont see him listed on bb ref for this season and others have done. Trout other the the batting average and getting injured still did well the past 2 seasons. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

10-14-2013, 11:57 PM	#2
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Barring one acceptable season of .276/.340/.384, he never accomplished a thing in my game (though it was started in OOTP13, so take it with a grain of salt). The poor bastard plays for the Astros now (it's currently 2018).

10-15-2013, 12:51 AM	#4
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	he's gotten injured

10-15-2013, 01:45 AM	#6
adaman77 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2013 Location: Chicago Posts: 57	He's usually somewhere in the top-3 for WAR in the AL, at least for the first few seasons starting with 2013.

10-15-2013, 02:41 PM	#8
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	I traded for him and he hasn't done much other than 25-30 hrs and 90 rbi always gets injuries that goes for a month

10-15-2013, 03:25 PM	#9
gpellis Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 180	I had him on a game I started in OOTP13 and carried over. I ended up trading for him with the Braves. He was a beast when he was healthy, but it was so seldom that it didn't really matter.

10-15-2013, 09:44 PM	#10
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	I started in OOTP13, so he wasn't as highly rated as he likely was in OOTP 14. From 2012 to 2019 (in progress), his OPS numbers have been 767, 657, 628, 638, 762, 708, 733, and 767. He was injured in 2012 and only played in 88 games, but has been durable otherwise. Despite that, his WAR has gone 2.9 (88 games), 0.7, 2.9, 1.9, 6.3, 4.5 (contract year!), 5.0, 3.8 due to outstanding defense in CF. On the strength of his speed and glove, he managed to get a 3 year, $62M deal out of Arizona after the 2017 season. So, in summary, while he's been underwhelming offensively, he has been a defensive stud in my league.

10-16-2013, 08:34 PM	#13
zoomzilla Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 170	The way this thread sounds, it seems like everyone naturally assumes that Trout is going to the hall of fame and there's nothing that can stop it. Maybe those original projections were correct. Is it really so hard to believe that he will have injury problems and end up as a career .279 hitter? The game is littered with players that showed immense talent in the first few years of their career then drop to a mediocre player with injury trouble. I'm not saying it's going to happen to him, but I do think its a little early in his career to assume the original projections are wrong.

10-16-2013, 08:57 PM	#14
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 794	My Mike Trout has had 7.5, 10.5, 9.5, 4.4, 9.3 WAR seasons. He's bombed 30 HR twice (not including 2012) and in the other seasons hit 24, 24, and 16 (that season was a down season and only played 120 games, but he bounced back). He'd definitely lived up to expectations.

10-17-2013, 01:01 AM	#20
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,053	thought I would show how trout has done for me. Attached Images