Budget Rollover

PsychoBulk · 12-05-2013, 06:16 AM

Regarding budgets, if for example i have $20m left on my current years budget and simply do not use it, does it rollover to the next season?

If so as an addition to the next year budget or does it go into cash reserves to be able to be used to sign free agents, or, as i fear, does it simply go into the owners pocket i.e. the abyss, never to be seen again, therefore not spending it would be pointless.

What im essentially asking is, is there a point to deliberately going under budget to be able to give a bigger budget the following year, or, does it not carry over so i may as well spend it anyway?

Any answers appreciated.

Cheers.

PsychoBulk · 12-05-2013, 12:20 PM

Anymore for anymore?

Surely someone has an idea on this one?

Leo_The_Lip · 12-05-2013, 12:29 PM

Your final cash balance is the only thing that gets added in to the next season, and that is usually subject to a limit.

So the answer to your question is 'maybe'.

You will need to closely examine your financials with the warning that OOTP financial statements do NOT follow GAAP.

PsychoBulk · 12-05-2013, 12:39 PM

Thanks for offering up what you know.

It would therefore, if what you say is true, be pointless NOT spending my entire budget, even wasting it on signing long shot international free agents or such like, if i dont get to carry any of it forward.

Lukas Berger · 12-05-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

It would therefore, if what you say is true, be pointless NOT spending my entire budget, even wasting it on signing long shot international free agents or such like, if i dont get to carry any of it forward.

I'm pretty sure that's correct.

le receveur · 12-05-2013, 12:50 PM

you do get to carry over, up to a certain limit, which is part of your programmed variables (i think default is $10 millions). so nothing stop you to change that to one billion and there is incentive to keep the cash.

but beyond that this is it.

i have also used the extra cash to get rid of an unwanted guaranteed contract, but you need to remember to do that Before the last game of the WS.
same would apply to players with option you want to decline. if you do before end of WS, the Buyout can go to this year's budget,

Leo_The_Lip · 12-05-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

Thanks for offering up what you know.

It would therefore, if what you say is true, be pointless NOT spending my entire budget, even wasting it on signing long shot international free agents or such like, if i dont get to carry any of it forward.

Yes, this is the same in real life, too.

However, if that spending causes you to go in the red, you could suffer the next year, so be aware of that.

Maintain a green cash balance to ensure no issues with the odd financial structure of the game.

Leo_The_Lip · 12-05-2013, 02:54 PM

Also, make sure you understand the differences in how your various balances are calculated. Unlike in the real world, money is not always fungible in OOTP.

By that I mean a dollar that can be spent on free agents might not increase your ability to extend existing contracts and vice versa. Learn how the statements flow on the financial page. It is still less than intuitive.

TGH-Adfabre · 12-05-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoBulk

Thanks for offering up what you know.

It would therefore, if what you say is true, be pointless NOT spending my entire budget, even wasting it on signing long shot international free agents or such like, if i dont get to carry any of it forward.

It is not pointless to underspend the budget. It is a cashflow decision and a profitability decision. If you are flush with cash and expect your league settings or owner to reduce your cash in hand then spending is a no brainer. I have had teams that won handily, did not have great early attendance because of Fan Interest and Loyalty but still turned a profit. Just not a very big one. I underspent my budget so I would have ample cash in the offseason to make the moves I wanted. It is only one financial factor in the equation.

Cinnamon J. Scudworth · 12-06-2013, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TGH-Adfabre

It is not pointless to underspend the budget. It is a cashflow decision and a profitability decision. If you are flush with cash and expect your league settings or owner to reduce your cash in hand then spending is a no brainer. I have had teams that won handily, did not have great early attendance because of Fan Interest and Loyalty but still turned a profit. Just not a very big one. I underspent my budget so I would have ample cash in the offseason to make the moves I wanted. It is only one financial factor in the equation.

Right. Some of the previous comments seemed to conflate the cash balance with budget room. The OP should understand that the cash balance is literally a function of revenue minus expenses and will carry over, subject to the cash max setting or the desire for the owner to keep it for himself at the end of the year. The budget isn't a pile of cash that you draw down; it's simply the number that the owner has given you at the beginning of the year that he doesn't want your expenses to exceed, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your revenue projection.

PsychoBulk · 12-06-2013, 06:38 AM

Oh i fully understand the difference between the budget and cash balance, i was just wondering if any budget underspend would carry over.

Thanks for all the helpful input chaps.

12-05-2013, 06:16 AM	#1
PsychoBulk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: UK Posts: 129	Budget Rollover Regarding budgets, if for example i have $20m left on my current years budget and simply do not use it, does it rollover to the next season? If so as an addition to the next year budget or does it go into cash reserves to be able to be used to sign free agents, or, as i fear, does it simply go into the owners pocket i.e. the abyss, never to be seen again, therefore not spending it would be pointless. What im essentially asking is, is there a point to deliberately going under budget to be able to give a bigger budget the following year, or, does it not carry over so i may as well spend it anyway? Any answers appreciated. Cheers.

12-05-2013, 12:29 PM	#3
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,813	Your final cash balance is the only thing that gets added in to the next season, and that is usually subject to a limit. So the answer to your question is 'maybe'. You will need to closely examine your financials with the warning that OOTP financial statements do NOT follow GAAP. __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

12-05-2013, 02:54 PM	#8
Leo_The_Lip All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,813	Also, make sure you understand the differences in how your various balances are calculated. Unlike in the real world, money is not always fungible in OOTP. By that I mean a dollar that can be spent on free agents might not increase your ability to extend existing contracts and vice versa. Learn how the statements flow on the financial page. It is still less than intuitive. __________________ "My name will live forever" - Anonymous

12-05-2013, 12:20 PM	#2
PsychoBulk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: UK Posts: 129	Anymore for anymore? Surely someone has an idea on this one?

12-05-2013, 12:39 PM	#4
PsychoBulk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: UK Posts: 129	Thanks for offering up what you know. It would therefore, if what you say is true, be pointless NOT spending my entire budget, even wasting it on signing long shot international free agents or such like, if i dont get to carry any of it forward.

12-05-2013, 12:50 PM	#6
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	you do get to carry over, up to a certain limit, which is part of your programmed variables (i think default is $10 millions). so nothing stop you to change that to one billion and there is incentive to keep the cash. but beyond that this is it. i have also used the extra cash to get rid of an unwanted guaranteed contract, but you need to remember to do that Before the last game of the WS. same would apply to players with option you want to decline. if you do before end of WS, the Buyout can go to this year's budget,

12-06-2013, 06:38 AM	#11
PsychoBulk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: UK Posts: 129	Oh i fully understand the difference between the budget and cash balance, i was just wondering if any budget underspend would carry over. Thanks for all the helpful input chaps.