Retire According to History question

[thehef]

I'm running a test historical league in order to get familiar with v14, and I'm noticing that despite having Retire Accdg to History unchecked, players are retiring when they did in real life (this is based upon a spotcheck of maybe 10 players and I've found no exceptions). Not sure if other settings/selections can affect how/if RAH works (didn't seem to in v12), but I generally have the defaults (when setting up a historical league using the wizard) except for the following (some of which may be defaults, some not sure):

- Auto adjust league strategy checked
- RAH unchecked, of course
- Miss season accdg to history unchecked
- Database path = default
- Recalc checked
- Recalc base = 3 years
- Double weight of current years checked
- Neutralized stats
- Remaining years of career
- Fielding = 3-year
- Pitching = 3-year
- Auto adjust modifiers checked

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

[Questdog]

Recalc every season......when you recalc when a player didn't play, his ratings will not be so good.....

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Recalc every season......when you recalc when a player didn't play, his ratings will not be so good.....

Are you suggesting that I should not recalc? The settings I listed above are the same as my v12 historical league - except in v12 I'm not doubling weight of current year stats - and in the v12 league players are not retiring according to history (as they shouldn't since I don't have that box checked).

So is this something that has changed (and not a good change, I would contend) in V14?

[Questdog]

I'm just saying that if you recalc the ratings every season (and even double the stat value of non-existent stats) that guys are not going to last long past their actual retirement date.....and I don't see how you could expect them to.....

The box would only make sense in a non-recalc league to me.....

[Questdog]

P.S. I don't play this way, so I am not speaking from experience......just what makes sense (to me).....

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Questdog

I'm just saying that if you recalc the ratings every season (and even double the stat value of non-existent stats) that guys are not going to last long past their actual retirement date.....and I don't see how you could expect them to.....

The box would only make sense in a non-recalc league to me.....

I understand what you are saying. Yet in v12 it seems not to apply and I thought that for players who play beyond their stats-present lives, the OOTP engine takes over.

I liked being able to have players perform similar to their real life performance while also have some players play longer than IRL, with somewhat random career trajectories. Seemed like Koufax always would play on for years, and be very effective. It'd be a shame to have lost that option.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Questdog

I'm just saying that if you recalc the ratings every season (and even double the stat value of non-existent stats) that guys are not going to last long past their actual retirement date.....and I don't see how you could expect them to.....

The box would only make sense in a non-recalc league to me.....

I use 1 year recalc and Brandon McCarthy is a 2 time 20 game winner, I am also well past 2013. He probably doesn't apply to recalc. I also use 1 yr recalc in my historical league and Moonlight Graham played for 6 seasons and was an all star one yr.

Hef I dont see why the players are retiring as the did IRL. Can you screenshot your options or rules page? Forgot which page that is on.

[sprague]

Hey guys,
are you sure that if the game recalcs a year after a player is retired (ie no stats in the database) it will give them a low value? Won't it just recalc to the last previous year, hence say give a player like bill kiester a .320 average for the rest of his life?

[Spritze]

You can also use development on (lightly) and recalc on. That option seems to let players fade away after some time.

[sprague]

Originally Posted by Spritze

You can also use development on (lightly) and recalc on. That option seems to let players fade away after some time.

I have thought is best too. What setting do you suggest for
Need some aging but not hurt old good players while needing
Super Slow dev to not have stars at 18

[Spritze]

I use a setting of 20 except when I use something else.

[WillieMaysHayes]

Originally Posted by sprague

Hey guys,
are you sure that if the game recalcs a year after a player is retired (ie no stats in the database) it will give them a low value? Won't it just recalc to the last previous year, hence say give a player like bill kiester a .320 average for the rest of his life?

Depends if you have 1 year or 3 year recalc on, what the guy will recalc to.

For example, I loaded Satchel Paige on a 1 year recalc. I turned player development off. I used his Negro league stats - from 1936 to 1939 (he didn't play in 37, 38, and 39) his ratings were exactly the same as they were in 36. The game went to Paige in 1937 and looked at his stats. There were none. So he didn't "recalc". There was no adjustment to his ratings.

Although, I have noticed in recent patches, even if you turn player development totally 100% off, it still happens. Go figure.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by thehef

I'm running a test historical league in order to get familiar with v14, and I'm noticing that despite having Retire Accdg to History unchecked, players are retiring when they did in real life (this is based upon a spotcheck of maybe 10 players and I've found no exceptions). Not sure if other settings/selections can affect how/if RAH works (didn't seem to in v12), but I generally have the defaults (when setting up a historical league using the wizard) except for the following (some of which may be defaults, some not sure):

- Auto adjust league strategy checked
- RAH unchecked, of course
- Miss season accdg to history unchecked
- Database path = default
- Recalc checked
- Recalc base = 3 years
- Double weight of current years checked
- Neutralized stats
- Remaining years of career
- Fielding = 3-year
- Pitching = 3-year
- Auto adjust modifiers checked

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

After doing further testing, it appears to be the historical transactions file that is the cause of this issue (and of the first issue described here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post3610503). Apparently, if a player appeared in (for example) the 1966 season but did not appear in the 1967 season - either because he spent the year in the minors or retired - the OOTP v14 transaction file has the game release the player on 1/1/1967. The v12 transaction file did not do this, so the player - if RAH was left unchecked - would remain on the team's roster (generally)... I confirmed this by doing a test that was identical to the setup above, except I subbed in the v12 transactions file. Sure enough, Koufax and others played beyond their IRL retirement years.