"Missing next few games for personal issues"

Darviathar · 07-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Becomes 13 MONTHS???

I understand missing a few games, but the timer for this event surely shouldn't extend so long.

jazzrack · 07-01-2013, 02:47 PM

a "nervous breakdown" takes at least that long. some never recover

ihatenames · 07-01-2013, 02:48 PM

13 months! Did his 'personal issues' involve a jail sentence. Jeeesh

Raidergoo · 07-01-2013, 02:53 PM

Allan Baird ran into this bug, too. He wants Zack Greinke back.

JohnHoward · 07-01-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Darviathar

Becomes 13 MONTHS???

I understand missing a few games, but the timer for this event surely shouldn't extend so long.

Nick Esasky basically had a CEI for personal issues.

David Watts · 07-01-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

a "nervous breakdown" takes at least that long. some never recover

Didn't Greinke miss an entire season dealing with his anxiety issues? Nevermind, I just seen Raidergoo already mentioned Greinke.

Doc_Brown · 07-01-2013, 04:27 PM

Khalil Greene says 'hello'.

Cryomaniac · 07-01-2013, 05:29 PM

Yeah, it's not that unrealistic. Depression / Nervous Breakdowns / Anxiety issues could easily be even career ending.

Gil Thorp · 07-01-2013, 05:42 PM

Anybody remember Jim Eisenreich?

akw4572 · 07-01-2013, 06:09 PM

Joey Votto went on the DL for depression after his dad died. I believe it was 2010.

dmacgreg37 · 07-01-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Nick Esasky basically had a CEI for personal issues.

This was my first thought too, although Vertigo is closer to an injury than a personal issue per se.

Le Grande Orange · 07-02-2013, 02:34 AM

The question here, at least as it pertains to real life, is what rules and procedures a club has to follow when dealing with a player with 'personal' issues. In the minors there's the temporarily inactive list, but there is no counterpart to that at the major league as far as I recall. There is the bereavement list (3-7 days) for dealing with the death of a close relative, and the paternity list (1-3 days) for dealing with the birth of a child. Beyond that, I think things would have to be handled through the disabled list.

Mancandy · 07-02-2013, 03:17 AM

Dontrelle Willis would tell you that there's nothing unrealistic about that.

Darviathar · 07-02-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Nick Esasky basically had a CEI for personal issues.

True, but Esasky suffered from vertigo, a medical condition. The news feed for the league featured my manager stating that we'd be without him for a few games, not for more than a season. I have to think this is a bug.

actionjackson · 07-02-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gil Thorp

Anybody remember Jim Eisenreich?

That was Tourette's Syndrome and it knocked him out for years. Who knows how great his career could've been.

The point is it is not unrealistic for a manager to think a player will be back soon from "personal issues" and the reality being a different story. If you don't like it, you can always use the editor in Commish Mode to change things.

Darviathar · 07-03-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

That was Tourette's Syndrome and it knocked him out for years. Who knows how great his career could've been.

The point is it is not unrealistic for a manager to think a player will be back soon from "personal issues" and the reality being a different story. If you don't like it, you can always use the editor in Commish Mode to change things.

I did just that. The player in question was John Wetteland, and he never missed time for off the field issues. I play with historical transactions and don't want history changed so drastically. Had Wetteland missed 13 months, he wouldn't have been included in the ill-fated deal that LA made for Eric Davis, and might have stuck around the Dodgers in the 90's and closed a lot of games.

JohnHoward · 07-03-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darviathar

True, but Esasky suffered from vertigo, a medical condition. The news feed for the league featured my manager stating that we'd be without him for a few games, not for more than a season. I have to think this is a bug.

Wow, all these examples and mine was the only one you felt compelled to respond to specifically. I am honored! Thanks!

Darviathar · 07-04-2013, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnHoward

Wow, all these examples and mine was the only one you felt compelled to respond to specifically. I am honored! Thanks!

Well, I believe it was the first one in the thread to mention Esasky. As I am replaying the 1990 season at the moment, I remember quite well what fate befell Esasky that season. Too bad, because he had been fairly productive for Cincinnati for many years (I've managed every season since 1983).

Mancandy · 07-04-2013, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Darviathar

True, but Esasky suffered from vertigo, a medical condition. The news feed for the league featured my manager stating that we'd be without him for a few games, not for more than a season. I have to think this is a bug.

Not at all. As has been mentioned, there are numerous examples of players who missed a significant amount of time due to personal issues - which certainly could include non baseball medical conditions such as vertigo. Wouldn't be the first, or last, time a player had a medical condition that they kept private by calling it a personal issue. That could also entail any number of other things, including family problems as well. Players have been known to take time off to deal with ailing spouses or children. Even if the manager said he'd only be out a few days, that could easily be explained as the player decided to take more time off for whatever reason. You have to be able to have a little creativity and be able to kind of fill in the blanks in some situations in this game. Not everything will make perfect sense in the way the game presents it, but you can make it work in your mind if you want to.

I can't blame you for changing it, especially if you're playing a historical sim, but it's definitely not a bug.

07-01-2013, 02:42 PM	#1
Darviathar Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 84	"Missing next few games for personal issues" Becomes 13 MONTHS??? I understand missing a few games, but the timer for this event surely shouldn't extend so long.

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jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	a "nervous breakdown" takes at least that long. some never recover __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

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ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	13 months! Did his 'personal issues' involve a jail sentence. Jeeesh __________________ New Album coming soon!

07-01-2013, 05:29 PM	#8
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	Yeah, it's not that unrealistic. Depression / Nervous Breakdowns / Anxiety issues could easily be even career ending. __________________

07-01-2013, 06:09 PM	#10
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	"Missing next few games for personal issues" Joey Votto went on the DL for depression after his dad died. I believe it was 2010.

07-01-2013, 02:53 PM	#4
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Allan Baird ran into this bug, too. He wants Zack Greinke back.

07-01-2013, 04:27 PM	#7
Doc_Brown All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,326	Khalil Greene says 'hello'.

07-01-2013, 05:42 PM	#9
Gil Thorp Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milford Posts: 349	Anybody remember Jim Eisenreich?

07-02-2013, 02:34 AM	#12
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	The question here, at least as it pertains to real life, is what rules and procedures a club has to follow when dealing with a player with 'personal' issues. In the minors there's the temporarily inactive list, but there is no counterpart to that at the major league as far as I recall. There is the bereavement list (3-7 days) for dealing with the death of a close relative, and the paternity list (1-3 days) for dealing with the birth of a child. Beyond that, I think things would have to be handled through the disabled list.

07-02-2013, 03:17 AM	#13
Mancandy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	Dontrelle Willis would tell you that there's nothing unrealistic about that.