Not too cool for old-school

[Déjà Bru]

Good old Mark. I would have done the same.

Warriors coach Mark Jackson didn’t want to be on the ugly end of an NBA record Tuesday. The former St. John’s and Knicks point guard instructed his players to foul before the Rockets could connect on their 24th three-pointer.

You can’t blame Jackson, especially after Houston rubbed it in a little during the blowout win. “We’re not going to lie down," Jackson said. “I was an old-school basketball player. I’m an old-school coach. If you can’t appreciate that, that’s on you."

Rookie forward Draymond Green was thrown out for committing a Flagrant 2 after Jackson gave the order. Afterward, Chandler Parsons chided Jackson on Twitter, saying “Hand Down, Man Down” — one of Jackson’s catch phrases as a broadcaster. It should make for an interesting rematch Tuesday night in Oakland.

Please define the significance of "Hand Down, Man Down."

[D-BacksJosh]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Please define the significance of "Hand Down, Man Down."

Man down is speaking of the defense. If they aren't blocking shots 'hand down' then the offense is going to make shots thus knocking the man out 'man down'.

“We’re not going to lie down," Jackson said. “I was an old-school basketball player. I’m an old-school coach. If you can’t appreciate that, that’s on you."

Most certainly 'old-school'. I will defend 'old-school' until the last 'man down'.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by D-BacksJosh

Man down is speaking of the defense. If they aren't blocking shots 'hand down' then the offense is going to make shots thus knocking the man out 'man down'.

Thanks. Here's another definition that I found which supports what you said:

The phrase comes from boxing, in which if you drop your defense (hands), you're going to be knocked out. In basketball, it translates as "if your hands are down while defending a shooter, he'll be able to shoot over you, and then you are the man down."

I guess that is what Parsons was talking about as criticism.

As I said, I would do what Jackson did, though. Why should I let another team set an embarrassing record against me if I can prevent it (within the rules and without hurting anybody)? Especially if the other team was woofing it up in my face? Old school, baby. Do whatever it takes, within limits.

[Kobie]

I'm not sure exactly what about this story is "old school." That's a term that gets used very often when it doesn't remotely apply.

[rudel.dietrich]

Playing good defense is old school

Committing a hard enough foul to be a flagrant 2 may be old school, but it should also should no longer be part of the game.
Mark Jackson needs to be sanctioned if he is telling his players to commit flagrant 2's.
He may also want to learn the concept of defending the perimeter.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Kobie

I'm not sure exactly what about this story is "old school." That's a term that gets used very often when it doesn't remotely apply.

Agree. The term is overused. I think in this case it refers to professional pride and never giving up even though it looks hopeless. That includes not giving in and relaxing, letting the other guy light you up for a new record, because the game was presumably lost. That's old school to me because I SO OFTEN SEE THE OPPOSITE IN OVERPAID AND LAZY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES OF TODAY. Sure it's subjective and probably not true as to either "old" or "school" but when somebody says it in a context such as this one, I know immediately what he is talking about.

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Playing good defense is old school

Committing a hard enough foul to be a flagrant 2 may be old school, but it should also should no longer be part of the game.
Mark Jackson needs to be sanctioned if he is telling his players to commit flagrant 2's.
He may also want to learn the concept of defending the perimeter.

All true EXCEPT the supposition that Jackson ordered Green to commit a hard foul. We don't know that. My idea is that he expressed a wish for his team to foul, yes, but not to hurt anybody.

Unless the guy who was "flagranted" was one of the ones doing the yukking it up. That, my fellows, would be "old school" indeed!

[Kobie]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Agree. The term is overused. I think in this case it refers to professional pride and never giving up even though it looks hopeless. That includes not giving in and relaxing, letting the other guy light you up for a new record, because the game was presumably lost. That's old school to me because I SO OFTEN SEE THE OPPOSITE IN OVERPAID AND LAZY PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES OF TODAY. Sure it's subjective and probably not true as to either "old" or "school" but when somebody says it in a context such as this one, I know immediately what he is talking about.

^ Precisely this.

[Linenoise]

Why is it embarrassing to have a record of 24 3-pointers scored against you but not 23 3-pointers? Seems that your anemic defense is exposed either way. The only distinction between 24 and 23 3-pointers is the record books. That means this is an issue of one's ego not an issue of new or old school.

Stop frontin', Mark.

[AnotherAlias]

Records are made to be broken.