Yankees Bashing

[GiantsRule]

Here's your chance to take a shot at the rich franchise. I admit I hate them. My second favorite team is the team that beats the Yanks and this week my second favorite team is the Orioles. So any Yankees haters out there? This post probably won't last long since the forums are monitored by a Yankees fan.

[blmeanie]

Just ordered some hats for a co-worker, that loves the Yankees,from the merchandise section : <a href="http://www.yankees-suck.com/" target="_blank">http://www.yankees-suck.com/</a>

[No-mahhh]

I'm with you. I'm a Red Sox fan, and hatred of the Yankees is a way of life here in Boston.

[BasicGuy]

dont get me wrong(I'm a Twins Fan) but maybe its not hate but maybe jealousy???

How many world championships have the Sox won since they traded away Ruth?????

And dont use the old team salary excuse the sox have to be in the top 10 for team salarys.

Sorry but I get sick of the yankee bashing.

[Dargone]

Being an Angels fan I don't quite understand why somepeople hate the Yankees so much. However, I certainly can understand being very jealous of all of their success Hell, I just wany my team in the playoffs...

[kingfc22]

I have a hard time bashing the Yankees because they always find a way to win. Don't get me wrong, I will never root for them, but you have to respect what they have done even if they spend 125 million dollars. 23 or 24 championships (some ridculous number) demands respect.

[JML]

[quote]Originally posted by GiantsRule:
<strong>This post probably won't last long since the forums are monitored by a Yankees fan.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually, Steve is a braves fan.

edit- I don't hate the yankees, but I do hate one thing they are a glaring example of, the competitive imbalance in baseball.

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[No-mahhh]

[quote] dont get me wrong(I'm a Twins Fan) but maybe its not hate but maybe jealousy???
How many world championships have the Sox won since they traded away Ruth?????

And dont use the old team salary excuse the sox have to be in the top 10 for team salarys.

Sorry but I get sick of the yankee bashing.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. Sox fans know how many World Series we've won since 1918. Yankee fans drive up to Fenway all the time and tell us.

Perhaps hatred is the wrong word. Bitter resentment is probably better. Or maybe strong rivalry. And yes, there is probably some jealousy in there too. Of course you can't admit that in a town with as much baseball ambition, pride and tradition as Boston. It's highly frustrating to to be rivals with a team in your division that has won 19 times (or thereabouts) while you have won 0. So yes we have a chip on our shoulder and are pissed off when the Yankees win, because it means that its just that much harder to imagine breaking the curse.

Objectively, of course, the Yankees have had great teams and are worthy of respect. We are too bull-headed to admit that though.

[BasicGuy]

JML finaly someon who get "IT". You cant blame NY for takeing advantage of the baseball system as it stands. If my team could afford it(twins) or any small market team for that matter they to would be spending money just like the Yanks.

To mis Quote a Wrestler "Dont Hate The Team, Hate The Game"

[JML]

I must again state my mantra for threads like this:

Read "Fair Ball" by Bob Costas

[Scott Vibert]

I'm a Red Sox fan....

So YANKEES SUCK!!!!

As far as the Red Sox go, I always find it amusing to see a certain Cubs Fan on this board (I think he used to be named Corey Patterson Fan) who's got "Hey at least we've got better luck then the Red Sox" in his signature..

Cubs last WS win 1908; last WS appearence 1945
Red Sox last WS win 1918 (over the Cubs); last WS appearence 1986.

Cubs World Series Titles 2
Red Sox World Series Titles 5

Neither team has much luck... but I guess his point is at least his team hasn't gotten close enough to blow it in awhile. (No offense intended Cubs fans.. I'm rooting for a Cubs - Red Sox 1918 World Series rematch... which of course won't happen this year... but maybe next year)


Sorry for the Tangent.

Yankees Suck!!

[BasicGuy]

If any team in the history of Basebal that could have been said to have bought a world series. It would have to be the Marlins.

They traded for\signed players way beyound there abilty to pay for them(dont say they didnt know...I remember the media wondering where the money was going to come from for the payroll). And they won there world series only to trade away the core team the next season. Maybe its just me but I feel that the Marlins series victory was just one more black eye in a long line of them In baseballs cherished history.

So maybe this thread should be

I Hate The Marlins
Or I would accept
I Hate\Dont Respect Pete Rose(But thats for another thread)

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[Dargone]

I agree about the Marlins. I remember thinking those exact same thoughts. The owner of the NFL Redskins tried the same thing a couple of seasons ago and it backfired big time. I guess in football, team chemistry/cohesion is a bit more important. What I would like to see is that one of these small market teams hold on to some of their hot young stars. It's not developing them that's tough, it's hanging on to them. It puts them in a perpetual youth movement/rebuilding phase. Sorry about the tangent

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[blmeanie]

[quote]Originally posted by ScottVib:
<strong>I'm a Red Sox fan....

So YANKEES SUCK!!!!

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Well said...

Fans for teams without long standing rich rivalries never really fully understand do they?
If the Sox never existed, Sox fans would probably (gulp) have become Yankee fans...it isn't a hatred because of who they are but because of who they are in relation to who we are...

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[Kemp]

The "The Yankees buy championships" threads always irritate me because they ignore a lot of the great decisions that Yankee management has made over the past 7 or so years. They also tend to ignore some of the dumb moves by the "small market" teams (another term I think is misused).

Some things to consider (based on 2002 salary figures):
* The Devil Rays will pay Greg Vaughn and Wilson Alvarez more money than Jorge Posada, Rondell White, and Steve Karsay COMBINED.
* KC is paying Roberto Hernandez, an aging relief pitcher, and Neifi Perez, a Colorado wonder, more than the Yanks will pay Mike Stanton, Orlando Hernandez, Ramiro Mendoza, and Shane Spencer combined.
* Nick Johnson, Alfonso Soriano, and Andy Pettitte make about $3.0 million LESS than Kevin Young, Pat Meares, Mike Fetters, and Pokey Reese.

And these are just a few examples, there are LOTS more.

I do agree that something needs to be done about sharing revenue generated by local tv deals. That is definitely fair. But I completely disagree with revenue sharing where poorly run, cheap, miserly owners allow their teams to run into the ground and collect cash from teams that perform well and draw fans.

[joshuaaaaaa]

I'm a lifelong O's fan and have always hated the Yankees. Actually, its not the Yankees I hate, because I'm sure most of the players are pretty nice guys. Its Boss George and Yankees fans, both of whom are endowed with HUGE.....levels of arrogance. Its real easy to be faithful to a team that spends money to fix every problem and therefore wins. Yet the Yankees fans seem to think that their team is winning on a level playing field, which isn't the case. Hell, give the Twinkies $125 million to spend on players and I bet they win their division and a few World Series, too.

Now, I do hate Mike Mussina for going to the Yankees. I don't mind him leaving the O's as a free agent, because the O's are rebuilding and he'd like to play for a winner. I can respect that...but the Yankees. Come on, dude, you were an Oriole. We don't do things like that. Hell, go to the Braves or Diamondbacks.

EOR

[Henry]

BTW Joshu(a*6) - who's the cutie in the pic (and don't you dare tell me it's you!

ps: I hate the "Hankies" too

[The Professor]

JML took my mantra ...so I'll echoe his sentiments: "Fair Ball"...good book.

I don't hate the Yankees, I believe I've mentioned that I get tired of them winning all the time (but, this is nothing new, every other decade or so, the Yankees string together a monster run of series wins ), but I don't hate them.

Yes, the Yankees are the poster-franchise for MLB's problems with inequality. The problem, however, isn't the Yankees...you take:

- The advent of Free-Agency
- Spiraling (out of control) player salaries
- The "Stadium Bonanza" effect
- Coupled with no salary cap, perhaps more importantly no salary floor...
- Incompetence in the Commissioner's Office

and you have a large bulk of the MLB's problems.

Another good book is Whitey Herzog's, some shameless self-aggrandizement ("I would like to be in the Hall of Fame") and some wonderful insights...for instance, encourage spitballs, teach aggressive, Early Wynn-style pitching, and the HR isn't the end-all-be-all...amen!

[Kemp]

The point is that if you gave the Twins $125 million, Pohlad would put $85 million in his pocket and STILL spend $40 million on players.

The Yankees invest in their team. They invest in the minor leagues. They draft the best players available and don't worry about signing bonuses. Maybe if some other teams did that, THEY would be able to afford to spend more cash. It's not like Steinbrenner is losing money the way he runs things.

This whole thing is a "chicken or the egg" argument. Do teams win because they have money or do they have money because they win? Go back to the early 80's and who do you name as the 2 smallest market teams in baseball? Probably Cleveland and Seattle. In the late 80's, the Twins were outdrawing the Yankees every year.

Should Steinbrenner spend money on free agents now or should he let the other owners STEAL the money by not investing in their teams and then begging for revenue sharing?

[joshuaaaaaa]

[quote]Originally posted by Kemp:
<strong>The point is that if you gave the Twins $125 million, Pohlad would put $85 million in his pocket and STILL spend $40 million on players.

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Very true, and I think there should be some requirement that teams spend the money they get from revenue sharing on the team, be it in stadium upgrades, minor league enhancement, free agent signings, whatever. Much as there should be a salary cap, there should be a salary minimum, too.

Just my opinion, of course.