Home Team DH

[andreglenn]

Is there any way to setup a fictional league where the DH is only used if the Home team uses one?

[Bluenoser]

Your question doesn't make any sense.

First off, who's going to decide if the home team will use the DH?

You can either turn the DH on or you can turn it off.

You can go and disable/enable it at anytime during the season.

No, there is no setting for "If the home team uses it"

[Germaniac]

Originally Posted by andreglenn

Is there any way to setup a fictional league where the DH is only used if the Home team uses one?

This leads me to this question:

In my historical league, I finally have reached the year 1989, so there's no inter-league play.
After each season (which normally means after each division title ), I additionally set my line-up's without the DH as well - since we have the DH during the regular season as an AL-team

But, does the game automatically use the DH in AL parks and the pitcher in NL parks, like they do in the World Series and Interleague games ?

[Tony M]

It does. If you change the AL to no DH and the NL to DH interleague games in national league parks will use it

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[andreglenn]

Bluenoser,

Actually my question does make sense. The Home team in a given game would "decide". If the home team is an AL team from 1973 on, they would be using a DH. If the home team is an NL team, they would never use the DH.

This questions arises from trying to create a division that contains the best teams from within a decade, and wanting to play a full 154 game season. Some of which will be NL teams, and some of which will be AL teams. If there are only 12 teams in question, then rather than having to create two separate leagues, and using "Interleague play", it would be more desirable to simply have each team have a setting that indicates whether it uses the DH or not. What happens if there are 7 AL teams and 5 NL teams in this scenario? Do I want to create a 7-team league and a 5-team league and turn on Interleague play? What if I want all 12 teams to play each other an equal amount of times? Will the Interleague play option accomplish that?

If you've got a league with a single division in which there are NL teams and AL teams, then when an NL team is visiting an AL team, it would be nice to be able to have that game use a DH. When the scenario is reversed, i.e. the AL team is visiting an NL team, then no DH would be used. If two NL teams in the division are playing each other, then there would be no DH used.

What if you want to group a series of teams that span 1970-1979? In that scenario, you will have some AL teams that don't use the DH and some that do. What do you do then? Do you put the AL teams from 1970-1972 in the NL?

The game only seems to allow you to specify whether the entire league uses the DH or not. Which implies that you can't create a division that contains both NL and AL teams. If that's the case then so be it, but it would be nice if there were that level of granularity

[Tony M]

Put all the teams in one sub league, create a schedule. Then create the other sub league and move the relevant teams across and set the DH rules. Don't recalculate the schedule.

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[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by andreglenn

The Home team in a given game would "decide". If the home team is an AL team from 1973 on, they would be using a DH. If the home team is an NL team, they would never use the DH.

That was not actually the case in regards to the World Series. From 1973-75 the DH was not used in the World Series at all. From 1976-85 the DH was used in all games of the World Series in even-numbered years and not used at all in odd-numbered years. From 1986 onwards the rule became the DH was used only when playing a World Series game in an AL park.

In regards to the All-Star Game, the DH was not used in it from 1973-88. From 1989-2009 the DH was used only when the game was being played in an AL park. From 2010 onwards the DH will always be used in the All-Star Game regardless of park.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by andreglenn

Bluenoser,

Actually my question does make sense. The Home team in a given game would "decide". If the home team is an AL team from 1973 on, they would be using a DH. If the home team is an NL team, they would never use the DH.

This questions arises from trying to create a division that contains the best teams from within a decade, and wanting to play a full 154 game season. Some of which will be NL teams, and some of which will be AL teams. If there are only 12 teams in question, then rather than having to create two separate leagues, and using "Interleague play", it would be more desirable to simply have each team have a setting that indicates whether it uses the DH or not. What happens if there are 7 AL teams and 5 NL teams in this scenario? Do I want to create a 7-team league and a 5-team league and turn on Interleague play? What if I want all 12 teams to play each other an equal amount of times? Will the Interleague play option accomplish that?

If you've got a league with a single division in which there are NL teams and AL teams, then when an NL team is visiting an AL team, it would be nice to be able to have that game use a DH. When the scenario is reversed, i.e. the AL team is visiting an NL team, then no DH would be used. If two NL teams in the division are playing each other, then there would be no DH used.

What if you want to group a series of teams that span 1970-1979? In that scenario, you will have some AL teams that don't use the DH and some that do. What do you do then? Do you put the AL teams from 1970-1972 in the NL?

The game only seems to allow you to specify whether the entire league uses the DH or not. Which implies that you can't create a division that contains both NL and AL teams. If that's the case then so be it, but it would be nice if there were that level of granularity

Ok, that makes sense. All you had to ask was - Can I enable the DH in the AL and disable it in the NL.

The answer is yes.

What threw me off was your use of the "if", as in "if the home team uses one". I was questioning the "if" as in who decides "if" the home team uses one. It sounded like another decision that was being made each game.

In your scenario, you could do what you want, but you'd have to enable/disable in league setup before each game.

The DH is enabled by league only, AL/NL. Since your mixing NL & AL teams into one league you would have to decide - is it AL or is it NL? It can't be two leagues together like that.

[andreglenn]

Thanks Bluenoser, and thanks Tony M for the workaround.

Thanks Le Grande Orange, I know the real-life history but its not relevant to what I want to do. You're referring to short series and one-shot games like the All-Star game which would be easy for me to manually toggle the DH rule before the game(s). I'm talking about playing an entire 154-game schedule across 12 teams. I was looking for a solution that would alleviate me of the pain of having to manually toggle the DH rule for hundreds of games.

I was considering just not allowing any of the teams to use a DH but that's not fair to AL teams where the DH is an integral part of their offense. Where would the Mariners of the Edgar Martinez days be if they had to play an entire season with no DH? And having every team use the DH all the time isn't fair to the NL teams as their rosters usually aren't structured to carry a full-time DH. So if you try to play a 100+ game season, most NL rosters don't have bench players that have played that many games, and you wind up in a situation where an NL team is using a guy as a full-time DH who only had 100 at-bats in real-life.

I like Tony M's idea. I'm going to give that a try.

Thanks again guys.

[Tony M]

Did it work?

[andreglenn]

It didn't work at first. I was able to create a new non-DH sub-league and move the non-DH teams to it, but once I tried starting the season, an error window popped up telling me that the league "had its league structure altered but a new schedule was not generated. This could cause problems. Please create or import a new schedule". The game wouldn't let me proceed.

So I got the idea of exporting the schedule to a file and then importing the file that I had just saved. That solved the problem. The game now let me proceed with the season. However, when I imported the schedule file that I had just created, the matchups in each game changed. Upon a rough glance, it looks like each team's schedule is valid, but the team schedules are definitely not what they were before I did the export and import.

I simmed a portion of the season and took a look back at the games. In games where the non-DH team was the home team, the pitcher batted. In games in the DH-team's park, the DH was used.

So it looks like it worked, as long as you export and import the schedule after moving the teams. Thanks

[drksd4848]

Do you really need to be THAT nasty in answering his question?

How about, "Sorry, you can't do it."

I was actually thinking that would be a nice option because I have a 1B who has a high pitcher rating. I want to use his bat while he's on the mound while not handicapping the other team (DH league).

But, I digress. I'm not a moderator, but I don't care. I'll say this on behalf of the other people who are needlessly flammed on this site:

DON'T BE A JERK.

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Your question doesn't make any sense.

First off, who's going to decide if the home team will use the DH?

You can either turn the DH on or you can turn it off.

You can go and disable/enable it at anytime during the season.

No, there is no setting for "If the home team uses it"

[andreglenn]

drksd4848,

Thanks for the support. There seems to be a lot of "shoot first, ask questions later" folks on these forums. They need to have some decaf or something.

What you want to do with your 1B is exactly where it would be nice to have each team indicate whether they want to use the DH. It would also be nice if a team could override their default setting on a game-by-game basis if they wanted to without affecting their opponents decision.

Or the latter could be accomplished if the game simply let you drag the pitcher into the starting lineup.

Maybe for version 13 or 14?

[drksd4848]

Originally Posted by andreglenn

drksd4848,

Thanks for the support. There seems to be a lot of "shoot first, ask questions later" folks on these forums. They need to have some decaf or something.

What you want to do with your 1B is exactly where it would be nice to have each team indicate whether they want to use the DH. It would also be nice if a team could override their default setting on a game-by-game basis if they wanted to without affecting their opponents decision.

Or the latter could be accomplished if the game simply let you drag the pitcher into the starting lineup.

Maybe for version 13 or 14?

My pleasure. It's amazing how people get on this forum sometimes. Over what? A question about a silly computer baseball game? I love OOTP too, but jeeze! I rarely post because some - not all - but a decent amount, can be very nasty for no good reason. I've been bitten by the flaming bug a couple of times on here. It's not fun. For this, I had to stand up and say something though. (Don't get me wrong, there are A LOT of good people here)

***END RANT***

Anyway, it would be nice if, in minor leagues, it could be a team option in certain cases. Couldn't an American League team choose to bat without a DH for a game in real life? I think so... not sure though.

Either way, if Markus were to fix ANYTHING DH related, it would have to be the ability to remove the DH from the lineup during a game if said DH takes a field position. This DOES happen in real life. But not in OOTP. That is a MAJOR strategy hole in the game. It doesn't completely ruin things, but I know of a few times where I had a player who was injured and wanted the DH to take the field for the injured player, but the game didn't allow it...

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by drksd4848

Anyway, it would be nice if, in minor leagues, it could be a team option in certain cases. Couldn't an American League team choose to bat without a DH for a game in real life? I think so... not sure though.

Yes they can... I think the rules state that teams in the AL may designate a player to bat in the lineup instead of the pitcher.

[andreglenn]

See Rule 6.10 from the Official MLB Rules here:

Official Rules | MLB.com: Official info

Specifically, section (b) states that it is optional to use the DH, and if a team doesn't do so before the game starts, then they can't use the DH during that game.

So AL teams could choose not to use the DH in any game if they want. Imagine if someone did that and their pitcher got hurt. Oh the headlines.

The entire rule makes interesting reading. For instance, I didn't know that if the pitcher leaves the mound and takes a position in the field, then the DH has to be removed from the game. So no "Waxahachie Swap" like Brad Mills did last year if you want to keep your DH

[drksd4848]

Originally Posted by andreglenn

See Rule 6.10 from the Official MLB Rules here:

Official Rules | MLB.com: Official info

Specifically, section (b) states that it is optional to use the DH, and if a team doesn't do so before the game starts, then they can't use the DH during that game.

So AL teams could choose not to use the DH in any game if they want. Imagine if someone did that and their pitcher got hurt. Oh the headlines.

The entire rule makes interesting reading. For instance, I didn't know that if the pitcher leaves the mound and takes a position in the field, then the DH has to be removed from the game. So no "Waxahachie Swap" like Brad Mills did last year if you want to keep your DH

I think in 1986 the Mets exploited that with Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell. Orosco played RF while McDowell faced a righty, then McDowell went to RF while Orosco faced a lefty. I think Orosco made a PO out in RF as well!

I think there's enough ground swell to fix the DH problem in OOTP, eh?

[Tony M]

Since it's not mandatory why doesn't the NL adopt the rule and then simply not use it. Houston (if they move to the AL in 2013) could use it for a few home games in practice for their move.