Hiring New Arbitrators

Madmatt · 10-19-2011, 11:11 AM

I would like to request that the old arbitrator in IOOTP be retired to shady acres as he is clearly on the take from the players

Seriously in my most recent game, I am playing in the 2020 season as the small market Oakland A's. I have noticed arbitration weirdness before, but I was playing as a larger market team at the time. I have put together a very nice streak of World Series wins and have a farm system and bench loaded with talent. I have been signing guys in their 2nd or 3rd year to 2-3 year contracts and turning them over when I can no longer afford them for cheaper talent ( the small market way! ). Over the last few years I have noticed everyone automatically asking for 12M for a new contract, and the arbitrator granting them 12M... and these are after 1 or 2 years of full time play... and often not that great play....

Here are some examples:
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25 year old SS Mann Arellano
He is a 5 star player, with 13 ratings across the board... but that translated into :

2019: 523AB .243 avg, .324 obp, .407 slugging 20 hr 80rbi...
He demanded 12Million to sign, tried everything < 12M in offer, rejected them all

in 2020 I replaced him in the starting lineup with a younger prospect..
2020: 83AB .253 avg .380 obp, .470, 3 HR, 14 RBI
pay was 1.6M
He demanded and was granted 12M

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25 Year old RF Jiong Tsai
He is a 5 star player, with great skills 17/15/14/14 (in the 2021 preseason, he got better the last 2 years)

2019: 451AB .304 .391 OBP .503 slugging 17HR 83RBI
He demanded 12Million to sign an extension , tried everything < 12M in offer, rejected them all

In the offseason I signed a beast FA OF to a 1 year deal, the guy was gold for 50HR, so Jiong went to the pine...
2020: 40AB .325avg .412OBP, .375 slg, 0HR 7RBI
pay was 3.5M
He was granted 12M in arbitration

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24 year old Wes Rivers
4.5 star player 16/18/8/12

2019: 60ab-.233avg-.281obp-.500 slg, 4HR, 14RBI
He was asking for like 2 million, it was his second year < 125AB

2020: 465ab-.254avg-.302obp-.492slg 29hr-94RBI
pay was 400K
Wins 12M in arbitration

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25 Year old catcher Kiril Adriaens
4 star catcher 15/16/8/19

2019: 526ab 302avg 340obp 534slg 29HR 118rbi
was asking for 12M, was making 5M

2020: 520ab 258 avg 316obp 440slg 21hr 79 rbi
pay was 5M
arbitrator granted 11.5M

THis is an odd one... why 11.5?

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26 Year old catcher Manuel Castaneda
4.5 star catcher 17/17/11/12... my backup catcher, never more then 237ab's in a season

2019: 187AB .278avg, .349 obp, .519 slg 11HR 34rbi
making 400K, demanding 12M to sign

2020 140AB .307avg, .401 obp, .543 slg 8HR 18rbi
making 400K
arbitrator granted 12M

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25 Year old 3B Jesus Ortega
4/5 star player 13/14/10/15 < 250ab per year in 3 seasons

2019: 130AB .308avg, .377 obp .523slg 6HR 12RBI
making 400K, demanding 7M

2020: 254ab .280avg, .348 obp, .531 slg 13HR 52RBI
making 400K
arbitrator granted 12M

Now I know this could be caused by the league salaries overall increasing over the years, my payroll has gone up 20-30M in the 9 years I have been playing this game....but it seems like the ai is cheating a bit and basing its arbitration #'s on a players ratings and not his performance. A SS hitting .250 with 20HR power asking for the same money as a .300 hitting RF with 30+hr potential... asking for the same money as players with < 600AB in their career... asking for the same money as backups... its all frustrating!

Madmatt · 11-06-2011, 09:12 PM

As I mentioned previously at a certain point the AI seems to just demand and get 12M contracts.

Started a new game and am in 2019 ...

Have a SS who has 13 (contact), 11 (power), 11 (eye), 17 (Def)...
2 years with 100AB's and a < .220 , the last season he had 250 AB and hit .335 with .410 OBP, 7HR 34RBI... He was making 400K, and now demands a raise to 12M.... which he was granted.

Ironically I also have a CF with 13-18-16-18.... Last year he hit .306-29HR-103RBI-11SB, he also demanded the same salary 12M.

A year previous my other SS 14-14-15-20 ( much better then this years SS ) asked for and got 12.5M...

Am I paying for future potential? If so that seems a little odd.

Madmatt · 11-07-2011, 10:54 PM

More fun, 2 seasons later... I dropped 2 of these arbitration eligible players who were asking for 12 million. They signed for 10, with teams. So why the arbitrator give more then fair market value?

omgimasian · 11-12-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Madmatt

As I mentioned previously at a certain point the AI seems to just demand and get 12M contracts.

Started a new game and am in 2019 ...

Have a SS who has 13 (contact), 11 (power), 11 (eye), 17 (Def)...
2 years with 100AB's and a < .220 , the last season he had 250 AB and hit .335 with .410 OBP, 7HR 34RBI... He was making 400K, and now demands a raise to 12M.... which he was granted.

Ironically I also have a CF with 13-18-16-18.... Last year he hit .306-29HR-103RBI-11SB, he also demanded the same salary 12M.

A year previous my other SS 14-14-15-20 ( much better then this years SS ) asked for and got 12.5M...

Am I paying for future potential? If so that seems a little odd.

I've noticed that how much a player got out of arbitration was based more on his ratings than actual performance. I'd be happy if they find a way to fix this

10-19-2011, 11:11 AM	#1
Madmatt Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	Hiring New Arbitrators I would like to request that the old arbitrator in IOOTP be retired to shady acres as he is clearly on the take from the players Seriously in my most recent game, I am playing in the 2020 season as the small market Oakland A's. I have noticed arbitration weirdness before, but I was playing as a larger market team at the time. I have put together a very nice streak of World Series wins and have a farm system and bench loaded with talent. I have been signing guys in their 2nd or 3rd year to 2-3 year contracts and turning them over when I can no longer afford them for cheaper talent ( the small market way! ). Over the last few years I have noticed everyone automatically asking for 12M for a new contract, and the arbitrator granting them 12M... and these are after 1 or 2 years of full time play... and often not that great play.... Here are some examples: ================================================== ======= 25 year old SS Mann Arellano He is a 5 star player, with 13 ratings across the board... but that translated into : 2019: 523AB .243 avg, .324 obp, .407 slugging 20 hr 80rbi... He demanded 12Million to sign, tried everything < 12M in offer, rejected them all in 2020 I replaced him in the starting lineup with a younger prospect.. 2020: 83AB .253 avg .380 obp, .470, 3 HR, 14 RBI pay was 1.6M He demanded and was granted 12M ================================================== ======= 25 Year old RF Jiong Tsai He is a 5 star player, with great skills 17/15/14/14 (in the 2021 preseason, he got better the last 2 years) 2019: 451AB .304 .391 OBP .503 slugging 17HR 83RBI He demanded 12Million to sign an extension , tried everything < 12M in offer, rejected them all In the offseason I signed a beast FA OF to a 1 year deal, the guy was gold for 50HR, so Jiong went to the pine... 2020: 40AB .325avg .412OBP, .375 slg, 0HR 7RBI pay was 3.5M He was granted 12M in arbitration ================================================== ======= 24 year old Wes Rivers 4.5 star player 16/18/8/12 2019: 60ab-.233avg-.281obp-.500 slg, 4HR, 14RBI He was asking for like 2 million, it was his second year < 125AB 2020: 465ab-.254avg-.302obp-.492slg 29hr-94RBI pay was 400K Wins 12M in arbitration ================================================== ======= 25 Year old catcher Kiril Adriaens 4 star catcher 15/16/8/19 2019: 526ab 302avg 340obp 534slg 29HR 118rbi was asking for 12M, was making 5M 2020: 520ab 258 avg 316obp 440slg 21hr 79 rbi pay was 5M arbitrator granted 11.5M THis is an odd one... why 11.5? ================================================== ======= 26 Year old catcher Manuel Castaneda 4.5 star catcher 17/17/11/12... my backup catcher, never more then 237ab's in a season 2019: 187AB .278avg, .349 obp, .519 slg 11HR 34rbi making 400K, demanding 12M to sign 2020 140AB .307avg, .401 obp, .543 slg 8HR 18rbi making 400K arbitrator granted 12M ================================================== ======= 25 Year old 3B Jesus Ortega 4/5 star player 13/14/10/15 < 250ab per year in 3 seasons 2019: 130AB .308avg, .377 obp .523slg 6HR 12RBI making 400K, demanding 7M 2020: 254ab .280avg, .348 obp, .531 slg 13HR 52RBI making 400K arbitrator granted 12M Now I know this could be caused by the league salaries overall increasing over the years, my payroll has gone up 20-30M in the 9 years I have been playing this game....but it seems like the ai is cheating a bit and basing its arbitration #'s on a players ratings and not his performance. A SS hitting .250 with 20HR power asking for the same money as a .300 hitting RF with 30+hr potential... asking for the same money as players with < 600AB in their career... asking for the same money as backups... its all frustrating! Last edited by Madmatt; 10-19-2011 at 11:14 AM.

11-06-2011, 09:12 PM	#2
Madmatt Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	More Arbitrator Fun As I mentioned previously at a certain point the AI seems to just demand and get 12M contracts. Started a new game and am in 2019 ... Have a SS who has 13 (contact), 11 (power), 11 (eye), 17 (Def)... 2 years with 100AB's and a < .220 , the last season he had 250 AB and hit .335 with .410 OBP, 7HR 34RBI... He was making 400K, and now demands a raise to 12M.... which he was granted. Ironically I also have a CF with 13-18-16-18.... Last year he hit .306-29HR-103RBI-11SB, he also demanded the same salary 12M. A year previous my other SS 14-14-15-20 ( much better then this years SS ) asked for and got 12.5M... Am I paying for future potential? If so that seems a little odd.

11-07-2011, 10:54 PM	#3
Madmatt Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 10	More fun, 2 seasons later... I dropped 2 of these arbitration eligible players who were asking for 12 million. They signed for 10, with teams. So why the arbitrator give more then fair market value?